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I love the Swiv-O-Matic hardware (Who doesn't?). It's the coolest looking hardware ever made, in my opinion. But, I was 14 years old in 1974 and anything about drums taht was bulkier or bigger was also...cooler! Of course, looking back on those days, I wish I had gotten the Swiv-O-Matic hardware and the older script badges.

-Same thing happened with Ludwig when they entered the arena with their "Modular" hardware. Those were the days of power toms and double bass drum kits...concert stages set up on flatbed trailers...skinny guys with long hair...the smell of $15-a-"lid" pot in the air...I can't explain how "wrong" that era was...because I was having too much fun living in it! HA! Excited

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 17 years ago
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Jeeze O-Lugs!...

I can't disagree with ANYTHING you have stated in your last post!!!! It's as if we BOTH lived the same life!!!!! HA!!!!! Actually...

There really wasn't anything "wrong" with that particular era... but you know what was right? That we all got out of it... ALIVE!!!!! And of course now that maturity has taken over... ( for the most part anyway! ) ... it's neat to have a look in the rear view mirror! Excellent post!!!

Tommyp

Posted on 17 years ago
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Yes indeed great post! gone forever are the days of seeing the Eagles,Black oak Arkansas,Santana,and Grand funk railroad all at the same place in one day for 5 bucks....I saw Creams last concert in LA cost me 6.50 for 10th row and Deep Purple opened it was their first US show ....then there was the Yardbirds saw them for 2.50...when i am so grateful i made it out of the mid 70's alive the 60's were easy i was just having to much fun playing music...

Posted on 17 years ago
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Rogers XP8 1980 USA Drums, 16x18 BD, 8x12, 14x14 (keller 8 ply built to Rogers Spec.) married to the Swivomatic era. I spent a small fortune on Cleveland era mounts for the BD. I used Fullerton era knobbies for the floor tom and Rogers Hex FT Legs. Recovered in green glass glitter. Sound is tremendous. The snare drum is original green glass glitter, 1960s Slingerland Niles badge.

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Posted on 17 years ago
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wow...with all due respect, I love Rogers, but their Swivo hardware was complete crap and I think we are a bunch of old men trying to relive childhood days to even think that crap was durable and even functional. The design of having a couple little cheesy set screws hold a 10 pound tom in place while getting wailed on...doesn't bode well at all. It was, and is not sturdy stuff. Oh sure, its cool hitting your ride tom and watching it bounce, but puleeeaze....nothing like snapping off a set screw vs not tightening tight enough and watching your tom collapse in the middle of a fill. I think we get caught up in the 'glory days' and fail to be real. The whole collet thing and good Lord, I remember struggling as a kid trying to loosen that crap all the time. The palm of my hand felt like someone hit it with a ball peen hammer after wrestling with swivo stuff. Then the ball would get pitted where the screws tightened.....So, if you want to mount those shells on a snare drum stand, that's one thing....hook it up to a wire hanger....I'll pass.

Posted on 17 years ago
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Well, Bill...with all due respect...this is a vintage drum forum...so MOST of the gang here is apt to be made up of people who like the older stuff. Yes Sir

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 17 years ago
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Well, Bill...with all due respect...this is a vintage drum forum...so MOST of the gang here is apt to be made up of people who like the older stuff. Yes Sir

hey no problem....I'm into the older gear as well, but seriously....it is more for nostalgia than it is quality. To proclaim that the old swivo is the best or good quality is somewhat absurd. It is nostalgic and therefore a perfectly good reason to collect the stuff. But seriously, to mount your tom on a coat hanger and claim that is quality stuff:(

Posted on 17 years ago
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Come on now, I have seen many a coat hanger hold up an exhaust system.

So even coat hangers can be sturdy Excited

David

Posted on 17 years ago
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May I?....Vintage is just that...old stuff,and yes i wrestled with wonky tom mounts and such and ripped skin off my knuckles too,but those are the memories.We,re not talking good or bad here,just memories.If you notice,most vintage hardware problems always seem to be about tom mounts.Past and present,i think it will always be a mystery on how to hang a tom or two...properly.Tama seem to have a grasp on it,yet you still see players putting the single tom on a snare stand.The hardware was always the weak part of the old time kits,but you have to admit the new stuff is quite sturdy.Those old Rogers swan leg cymbal stands were a stroke of geniusYes Sir

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Posted on 17 years ago
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Well a new Honda Civic functions better than an old Corvette Stingray, but that doesn't mean that the Corvette is not "quality stuff". I would still prefer driving the ill-handling, gas-inefficient, poor braking Corvette in a nice, polite manner than I would driving the new Honda Civic without a worry.

Same thing holds true for Rogers Swiv-O-Matic hardware. When it came out, it was a new idea -it seemed (and was) more functional at the time. The collet things were initially machined and of very high quality and they also reflected the style of the time in which they were created -they were "futuristic" in both function and appearance and they helped to differentiate Rogers from the remaining "Big Four" manufacturers -much the same way that the Big Four car manufacturers (Ford, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Dodge) used to approach building cars. Once things like aerodynamics were studied in regards to the way car bodies were designed, the fins and rocket-shaped bumpers that had been a major part of the individual style, disappeared. All of the differentiating factors began to melt into each other in favor of a more unified look and design across the board. As a result, the cars of today run better and more efficiently, but they lack a clearly individualized identity. After all, most of them are made from parts that come from the same places...built by robots and made to suit the needs of higher-profit manufacturing.

I believe the same to be true in relation to vintage drum gear verses new gear and it is my personal belief that the "quality" of an object doesn't always have to pertain to how much more abuse it can hold up to. Rogers Swiv-O-Matic may not have been perfect, but it certainly wasn't low-quality.flowers2

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 17 years ago
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