this run took about five minutes. I came across several forums where an O-Lugs was asking about jazzettes covering a period of over five years.

http://www.girlthatdrums.com/gear-drums.asp

http://www.repercussions.org/hpludwig.html

third page fourth para on right. Vistalite jazzette

http://www.classicdrummer.com/archives/vdmarchives/GearArticles/FrankyVsVistalites.pdf

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopolis-Mars/2182/museum/vintage/ludwig.htm

http://69.36.12.101/showthread.php?t=6613&page=2

Hey Guys,I know and have seen 12 sets of these that a friend of mine has..These are 100% ones from Ludwig,,NOt piece together set's,all are complete with no mod's..They date from 1967-1972 two of these are "CLUB DATE" sets[ i would say are very rare the only two i know of].If i recall right these are the colors he has iam not sure what years go to what color on the classic sets,the Club dates colors are Red sparkle and W.M.P. the other 10 sets are ,maple,mahogany,gold sparkle,W.M.P.,Oyster blue pearl.Champagne sparkle,B.D.P,another Red sparkle,Silver sparkle,Psychedlic red..I know you guys will like some photos,when ia'm home i will see if he will let me take some and post them,ia'm not sure he will,He has so many vintage drums and snare's other things i will try to take photos of,Like i said ia'm not sure he will he has been rip-off by other people in the pass.But he has been a friend for 25+ years i will see how it goes..I will keep you guys posted....Mikey

Welcome back! I appreciate another five minutes of your time, but most of your findings this time are failed results, as well. Sorry!

I imagine I am all over the place if you search for Jazzettes. I have been making them a specialty of mine for several years now. :)

And, having said that...

The Vistalite 'Jazzette' is an 18 X 14 bass drum. That's old news.

Girlthatdrums' (Liz something) set was a B/O maple 18 X 14, too. And it was really suspect of being a conversion from what I can remember. I'm not sure all the drums matched, either. The badge and grommet were tampered with if I remember correctly...several other things, too...extra holes and all kinds of stuff. No good.

That second Japanese Jazzette is not legit, either. None were ever offered with a double tom mount! lol!

Edit: God! I forgot about Drumshed! Wow! I thought that place went belly up a looong time ago! LOL @ Poopypants' signature! I don't even remember what ScottUK's Jazzette looked like, now. I can't even remember my password to that site and you gotta be a member to view the pictures, apparently. I think I may have been kicked off, anyway! lol! Good times! I wonder what that set was, now! It must have been good! I liked it!

I appreciate your trying, mcjnic, but with the exception of the foreign versions, those others are all old news and out of the running, I'm afraid -unless we want to start including 18 X 14 bass drums as Jazzettes.

COOL, Mikey! I can't wait! I hope he's willing to share some pictures! I have heard tell of a Clubdate in Jazzette sizes. Never saw one, though. Exciting!

Here's another slightly "weird" thing:

There were, apparently, factory-matched kits that came with the 18 X 14 bass drum. This configuration often included a bass drum mounted cymbal arm *edit* AND an offset railmount.

Years ago, the question arose as to whether or not this configuration was a "Jazzette" or if it was a special-order "Downbeat".

What do you guys think?

Is the kit with the 18 X 14 bass drum w/bass mounted cymbal arm and offset railmount a Jazzette or a Downbeat? Or, is it something else? What would you call it?

Good Lord, man! I just realized that ScottUK was posting the scans out of the old 1966-67 Ludwig catalog! LOL! Yeah...I've seen that one alright! I wish I knew where it was, today. flower

Here's the picture of the 'Jazzette' from Japan (the second Japanese example):

[IMG]http://www.geocities.co.jp/Technopolis-Mars/2182/museum/vintage/r270.jpg[/IMG]

Now, I ask you....Besides the fact that there shouldn't be a double tom mount on the bass drum, what do you think about the mounting position of those spike spurs? It may just be the photograph, but they seem to be mounted a little bit too high up on the shell to be effective. My suspicions tell me that there are too many questions to ponder about this one.

Hey O-luds..Back in late 1975 when i was playing a D-land in ca,one of the jazz drummers have a [he said new] set of Ludwig Vistaltes in Green that was a jazzette set but i don't know if the bass drum was 12x18 or 14x18...In the Ludwig catalog 1975 shows the bass drums were 12x18 with no L-arm mount...Mikey

Here I am again. I'm a slow learner.

You are assuming that for a jazzette to be accounted for it must be photo'd on this forum. That's flawed thinking. We all have kits that have not been documented on any forum. I have owned WAY too many kits to honestly count accurately. Very very few have been documented on any forum. Does that mean they don't exist? No. Just that I didn't think it was important to send pics to some forum.

No. Again, you are making an assumption.

How many Super Classic kits did Ludwig build? WAY more than jazzettes, I would think...by a factor of several hundred thousand.

Now, how many true documented examples are there here on this forum? Make sure these examples fall within the parameters you have outlined.

What you will find is that comparatively speaking, there is only a minute fraction represented - considerably less than one percent. You see more because more were built. But, if you were to crunch the numbers, the Super Classic kits documented here would be in fact more rare (by the numbers) than the jazzette. That's because you are only focused on the documentation from this forum.

I'm not adding to your statements. You said "But isn't it curious that, in all the years and throughout all the people who look for such things, that only EIGHT kits have managed to surface long enough to be photographed and listed?"

That's the issue here. There are lots of jazzettes out there. Just because they haven't been documented on that page does not mean they don't exist. We started with seven and within just a few hours we were around twenty potentials. It's not that tough to find them. I found three that 'might' fit your parameters and I wasn't even looking. I was demonstrating to you how simple it is to find potentials. I just ran two search strings through Linux tools and a bunch popped up.

If you know what you're doing, this is a fairly simple process. I'm not interested in locating them, but if you honestly are, I would suggest picking up a book or two on working with Linux and the internet. Most of the internet is Linux based and it would help you in your quest. Just a thought.

Somebody want to point out what the point of this thread was supposed to be to me?

It just seems like mindless bickering about nothing to me.

For the record, I only care about the Jazzette that I used to own, because I'd like to get it back for SENTIMENTAL reasons, NOT for any kind of rarity factor, even though it doubly was or for any future monitary gain. I miss it because it was mine and my dad's before that, no other reasons.

This thread and forum is starting to sound like a bunch of "Corvette guys" if you ask me.....numbers matching, "correctness", etc. DOH