Photos, please? :)

Excellent! Thank you for your contribution to the cause!! Clapping Happy2

You are correct. The one listed as a 1964 Jazzette is a rewrapped purple sparkle kit made from earlier "rogue" drums. It's still a very nice, little set, though!

Kit before cleaning...

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BEAUTY! Thank you!

Man, I HAD to edit this post because I just wasn't looking closely enough and listed problems that weren't even there! I mentioned extra holes, but as mlvibes pointed out in the subsequent post, they are just the holes from the removed lugs. I need some more (less?) coffee!

Apologies!

I don't think Tom's kit has extra holes...looks like holes from where some of the lugs are removed.

-and, just to add to the interest of the discussion....;)

As a collector, if a factory-made/matched Jazzette kit came up that had the finish warping and cracking off the shell and all the original hardware was rusted to death, it would still be more worthy (according to my personal standards for such things) of inclusion into the nomenclature than would a kit made from a marching drum and/or some other rogue drums that were all shiny and clean.

As a player, I would likely take the cleaned up rogue kit and use it regularly on my gigs.

As a collector, I would likely place the original kit at the "bottom" standard of the scale to contrast the "ideal" of the Jazzette (which, as I have already stated, would be a '67 mahogany in perfect, mint condition). Keep in mind, these extreme examples are only meant to be used to give "borders" to the standards. They are theoretical at this point in time. Maybe they exist. Maybe they don't. That's irrelevant.

And, yes, I have already come to the realization that one of my Jazzettes (the '67) doesn't even fall under my own umbrella of being factory-matched. I'm cool with that.

That red sparkle '67 bass drum was a gift to me from Gary Larson. The value of that drum set is not in its legitimacy as a Jazzette. I still call it a Jazzette because that's all I knew at the time....and it has stuck. I would be totally cool with the removal of it from the VDG Jazzette section for that reason. But the 1969 should stay, for sure.

All I know is that the '67 red sparkle 'Jazzette' bass drum wasn't a conversion. It IS a legitimate factory-original 18 X 12 bass drum in its original (tucked into the scarf joint) red sparkle wrap. There are no extra holes. The rail consolette is correct. The spike spurs are correct. I don't see what else it could have been if not a Jazzette bass drum.

I know that the badge numbers COINCIDENTLY fall into alignment with the other badge numbers from the Downbeat shellpack I bought a few weeks after I got the gift from Gary. Now, I have a factory-matched Downbeat with an optional non-factory matched "little brother".

But the 1969 Jazzette I own IS the real deal -factory matched ALL the way down to the little screws and washers!-sparkling pearl finish option listed or not!

As far as how I value those two kits goes: The '67 is priceless and not for sale (too much cool provenance!)....

...and the 1969 Jazzette I will trade for a mint mahogany version (No, not the one in Germany -it has been altered by a former owner) :Santa:

So, in other words, I'm not going to sell either of them! The value isn't in the money for me. I can always get more money. But if I sold one of my kits, I would likely not find another to replace it -at least from the looks of it!

D'OH! You are correct, as usual, Bill. My bad.Burger Kin

So, then...

If we subtract my illegitimate '67 'Jazzette' from the equation and then ADD Ludwig-Dude's BP Jazzette, ADD the WMP Jazzette from Sweden and ADD vadrums' gold sparkle Jazzette, then the documented count now stands at TEN documented Jazzettes for the VDG section. COOL!Burger Kin

Keep them coming!!