The 20" crash/ride with rivets was a Super Zyn. In 1964 that was replaced with a Zildjian without any rivets.

The 18" was perhaps not quite as thin as it sounds like when you hear him playing it. It had a slightly flatter than average profile (or bow) which on any cymbal produces effects expected from a thinner cymbal of average profile. Judging from pitch alone comparing his 18" with other 18" cymbals of my own of known weight, I estimate that this cymbal was somewhere in the mid 1400's. If you can find it, listen to the recording from the making of "A Day in the Life" where Paul's bass and Ringo's drums are isolated on one track. You can clearly hear this cymbal and it doesn't sound very thin there.

The hi-hats were reported to be 14's or 15's from various sources. I tend to believe that they were 15" and from Jim Keltner's description of the trademark on those, were almost certainly trans stamps.

In the quest for finding cymbals with similar qualities, all I can say is good luck. The 18" and hi-hats were old cymbals from the 50's. It'll be hard to with find cymbals that can replicate Ringo's or even come close. I found an 18" large stamp that's a bit lower pitched than his, but has character that comes real close to his. And it only took me 40 years to find it.

thanks so much on goes the journey just missed a 18' zyn on ebay

If you want to be authentic to the Hard Days Night era, a Super-Zyn 20" is just what you want. Forget about just plain Zyn. That 18" has got to be a Zildjian though. Try looking at eBay U.K. for the Super Zyn. They're there....all the time.

thanks for that info im headed for the U.K

And one more thing. Make sure that you stay away from those "5 star" Super Zyns. Those are just UFIP cymbals by another name. The ones that you want were made in England. That's what Ringo had. They have this trademark:

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/PICT4166.JPG[/img]

And something else...here's a rare oportunity to see the drums that Ringo played on a Hard Day's Night:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ringo-starr-exhibit-to-open-at-grammy-museum-20130307

I wonder if his cymbals will be set up with them? Someone go there with a camera and report back to us with photos please.

Maybe you guys can make something from these !i

That last pic don`t look like a 14 or 15 !i Look at the snare ?

The hats look thin bottom thick top !i

Where does this info come from?

I have never heard this before, and having owned both 5 Star Super Zyns and UFIPs, I would be quite surprised. They are not much alike.

Jon

I'm going to have to back off of that statement for now because I can't remember where that info came from. Hearsay info isn't reliable as a source and so I'm going to have to back off from that. I just did some quick research and I can't find any source that would confirm this. So without any real evidence to back it up for now, I'll retract that statement.

The lathing seems to be the same for both the Supers and the 5 Stars which would suggest that at least that part of the process was probably done at the same location for both series. I can say that the old Super-Zyns were rolled B-20 because there's quite a few charcoal crunch artifacts to be found in cymbals of that series, especially in but not limited to the bell area. I don't know for sure if that's also the case for the 5 Stars. Some of the old timers from England told me that the regular Super Zyns were superior to the 5 Star type. But even so, I can tell you that I once owned a 5 Star series cymbal; a 22". It sounded quite good and was even comparable to a very good Zildjian.