Thoughts?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Slingerland-Drum-Kit-Set-Zildjian-Cymbals_W0QQitemZ250483176928QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a51f5f5e0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Also, the marching bass drum you're looking at has a 22 and 2/3 size head so that will be a huge pain to change heads on, and If I have to drill holes for Spurs, I have a feeling I will probably damage the shell because I am not very experienced in restoring drums. However I think I might go for that 13" rack tom. Looks to be in good shape, no shell damage, and it's cheap, so why not?

Thanks for the input everyone

_Nemo

Here's a couple ebay auctions (completed) that will demonstrate the availability of some excellent 3 ply shells.

They are out there. You have to be patient and search.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-Standard-Vintage-Drums-in-Blue-Astro-Finish_W0QQitemZ280382256554QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintgae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item414815b5aa&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

SOLD 150 dollars

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]This is a Ludwig Standard set of drums, in the very rare blue astro finish! Included in the auction are a 22" Bass drum, a 12" tom, and a 13" tom.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]I got this kit when I was in high school from a fellow drummer, who had bought it from a local pawn shop. There is no telling how many hands it has passed through, but I have had it for 14 years now. I am guessing that these drums were produced in the late 60's from research I have done. There is no floor tom, and there is no snare drum with this kit.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]The shells are 3 ply construction, and the insides of the drums have the gray speckled painted finish. The Ludwig Standard badges on each drum do have imprinted serial numbers on them, but there were no date stamps on the inside shells. I can provide the serial numbers if requested.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]The finish looks very sharp, especially when a light is hitting it. It almost has a reflective quality to it. There are several scratches on the drums, and I have tried to show the worst spots in the pictures. The hardware (rims, lug casings, and lug screws) are in good shape. It is a little dull, but could be brought back to life with a little cleaning. The worst damage is to the bass drum, where the wood has begun to split on a small section on the outside edge. Nothing that a little wood glue and some tender loving care wouldn't fix, though. And of course, there are scuff marks where bass drum pedals have been hooked on.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]The drums in general have a warm tone when played. All heads are Remo Coated Ambassadors. They keep their tone when tuned, and there are no issues with any lugs. I played primarily jazz music with these drums, so they were not beat heavily or abused when played.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]There is some other missing hardware:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]-Outer bass drum hoop, 10 T-rods and clamps, 2 Bass drum spurs, and 1 wingnut to tighten against the spur.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]-Tom mount that projects from bass drum, and the tightening nut and 2 washers on the 12" tom where the tom mount goes.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Apart from this, I am unaware of any other missing hardware or issues with these drums. These drums deserve a good home, as they have had one for several years now, and they deserve someone who is more up to the challenge of restoring them than I was.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Thanks for looking at my auction. I hope you bid on this great find, and I hope you win, too![/SIZE][/FONT]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-Standard-22-16-w-matching-Snare-Drum-Ruby-Str_W0QQitemZ280380606757QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147fc8925&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Did Not Sell at 299.

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Ludwig Standard 14" x 22", 16" x 16" and 5" x 14" 8 lug matching snare drum Ruby Strata finish. This is a players kit. There is a new Ludwig bass drum tom mount and single arm tom mount. The original holes may have been slightly enlarged. Non original fasteners. The 5" x 14" had a non original throwoff. There is 1 very small additional hole as pictured. The replacement throwoff knob is very slightly bent but works very well. Original Ludwig snare wires, missing one snare wire. New snare side rim. Bass drum missing a hoop/8 t's and claws, one original hoop (repainted) with most of inlay missing and 8 original t's and claws. Badges on the bass drum and snare drum, rubbed and bent. Badge on the bass drum loose. Seam lifting on the floor tom and bass drum. Some slight surface rust on rims and some dings/rubs on wrap. Bass drum front side bearing edge with some very slight separation of reinforcement ring and some wear. Snare drum and floor tom shell/bearing edges good condition. Long list of "minor" issues. All original tension rods and tension rod washers. Bass drum t rods are a bit rough. Claws are good condition. Original spurs, 2 original Ludwig floor tom legs, one non original. Original mufflers/knobs. There is a ding on snare batter side rim to the left of the throwoff. These are the last of the great Ludwig 3 ply maple shells. The same shells used on the high end Ludwig drums of the 70's. Following these shells were the very heavy 6 ply shells. I have owned many Ludwig 3 ply kits. All have sounded sound incredible. The L arm on the tom mount fits Ludwig 60's and 70's tom mounts. If someone has a 12" or 13" mounted tom, this would be an incredible players kit. Those particular drums are not real hard to find. Kit would be a great candidate for a rewrap as well. The snare drum sounds great. It is essentially a Jazz Festival with Standard hardware. This "kit" will not be listed again. International auction as indicated.[/SIZE][/FONT]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-Standard-16x16-Floor-Tom-Black-Blue-Oyster-Pearl_W0QQitemZ280377066425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147c683b9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

SOLD - 107.50 dollars.

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]This No Reserve Auction is for a pre owned Ludwig Standard 16x16 floor tom in excellent condition with normal signs of usage. Not sure of the official name of this color, as it seems to be a mixture of a Black Oyster Pearl and Aqua/Blue Oyster Pearl. Drum is sold in as is condition. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Thanks for looking![/SIZE][/FONT]

That head size was measured by someone who doesn't understand how to measure. That's a standard 22 inch drum head.

Those are single headed toms. Not the sound you are seeking. That's a dead 70's rock sound. Also, this would only work if you lived in the DC area. It's a pickup only.

Typically people will ship even if it's a pick up only if you make them an offer,

and as far as the ludwig with the goofy warp goes, I already looked at that one, I need a kit with a floor tom. I guess nothing much needs to be done except me looking, but now that I know what I'm looking for I have a few more specific questions..

The rogers powetone series..Are these more rock kind of drums?

I guess the name says it , but just double checking..

Have you had experience buying marching drums?

Are you sure that a marching bass drum will give me the sound I want?

In my honest opinion I think you should be patient and wait for a 60's gold badge or 70's blue and olive badge Ludwig kit. There are a lot of them out there. The most popular are 22" bass 13 rack and 16 floor. Heads on both sides. A good deal is $400 -$800 depending on condition.

Emperors on the top, Ambassadors on the bottom. This will get you a classic vintage sound.

There's nothing wrong with the orphan or jellybean kit either. What ever comes easier to you.

Just to give you an a idea what I've found, I play a gold badge 68 Ludwig 22" 13" 14" 16" Blue Sparkle. I picked up for $500.

I also have a 78 Ludwig 24" 12" 16" picked up for $400. It was not pretty but sounds great.

I also have a Ludwig 66 Black Pearl Oyster (Ringo Kit) 20" 12" 14". I paid over $1000 for that.

The right kit at the right price will come around.

The rogers powertone are not just for rock drumming and they go for a big buck. I must agree that a 3 ply slingerland kit will be the biggest bang for your buck. Keep looking, good complete kits come up for sale often. You should be able to get a nice kit for under 500.00 with shipping.

You have some reservations about marching drums. Something you should realize - marching drums and kit drums are the same thing (from the same era shells). The shells are identical. The hardware is identical. The main difference is that one has spurs and tom/cymbal mounts and the other has chest strap mounts. That's pretty much it.

Also, you are still missing the point of those auctions I posted. It's not complete kits (some of them). It was to demonstrate that you can get the bass and a tom from one auction and the floor tom in another...etc etc etc. You can piece this kit together if you so choose.

I'm trying to show you as many options as possible so that you don't make a move and realize later that you could have done something different and saved yourself several hundred dollars. There's more than one way to skin a cat...you still end up with a naked cat, but at what cost... That's the key.

Hey mcjnic, you seem to be getting increasingly ****ed off at me, like I'm super

incompetent or something, all I was asking was how you know the difference in shell construction between marching drums and kit drums from like 40-50 years ago, mostly because marching drums today are way different than typical set drums, so I didn't want to buy something that sounded super weird. Also I understand how Ebay works, and I just wanted to also let you know that I'm not mad at you or anything, I really appreciate all the help, all I wanted to know is if buying a marching drum would work, so thanks. Also, I'll check out those ludwig kits dds4. thanks guys!

Nemo