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From nemo007

Hello.I have a few questions about vintage drums.I only own one kit, and it is a Maple CX series by DW,but recently I realized that even with the right heads Ican't find the sound I want. So i decided that I wantedI nice set of Vintage drums, similar in sound toold jazz drummers like Rich and Kruppa. I wantedsomething with low end punch..and so here goes...1. Do Mahogany/poplar shells get the sound I wantgenerally speaking?

Generally speaking - yes. They will. You might also want to check out the shells made of Maple/Poplar/Maple. They give an excellent vintage round, warm and woody sound.

From nemo007

2. How much can I expect to pay for a 3 piece kit inthis wood consisting of a 24" kick, 13" rack, and 16" floor(already have a few nice snares that do a good enough job, so I just need toms, and kick)

You could shop for a Slingerland kit. This would get you a less expensive kit with an outstanding sound. I would shoot for a kit made between 1970 and 1976. Ensure that it is of the 3 ply variety.

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3. I was also exploring the possibility of trying to buynaked shells and wrapping them up myself, so is therea good place to buy these shells online?

I would steer away from this option. The shells are similar in make but nowhere near the same sound. Not to my ears, anyway.

From nemo007

Btw, I'm 18, and I've been drumming for like...5-6 years, so I have to admit I don't know a whole ton about drumsbut I do know what sounds I like, so any help would be extremely appreciated, thank you so much!

Because of your age and such, I have suggested an inexpensive route to getting you behind a sweet sounding kit. There are many other options. Ludwig is a great kit, but generally speaking, you will pay a bit more for them versus Slingerland. Rogers and Gretsch make a different shell with great sounds, but again, you will pay much more.

So, to get you into the kit with the sounds you want, you should hunt down the parts of this kit. The bass should run you in the neighborhood of 125, the floor tom about 90, and the wing tom about 55. These are generalizations. I've seen entire kits go for less and more. You should focus on a players kit. It will not be perfect or 100% original. It will have flaws and will not be museum ready. That's what you want. The shell construction is the focus. Find the shells that are not splintering or cracking or have damaged bearing edges. If the shell is good, everything else is cake. You can always replace a bad lug or a bad mount. The shell is the key. You could piece this together cheap or find a kit cheap. It's up to you. Either way, good hunting.

P.S. Forgot to mention -

You can usually find Marching Bass drums and Tenor Toms fairly cheap. They come in two varieties: 3 ply and 5 ply. Try to stay in the 3 ply area. The 5 ply drums are excellent, but play a bit more stiff. If you have to compromise on this, a 5 ply bass is ok. You can save some scratch by using a 5 ply marching bass with this kit. They usually run around the 50-60 dollar mark. Add to that 30 bucks for some Slingerland spurs and you are in business. You will need to mount your tom on a stand or a snare basket if you don't want to spend the dough on a bass mount (which goes for around 40).

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hi N00b

I buy entry level kits off Craig's List allot. At least one every month or so. I clean 'em up and sell them to kids (parents) as a hobby. The other fellow was right. Those Royce drums are entry level with Philippine Mahogany shells. Not something for a serious drummer. I've had two or three Royce kits, all the same. They remind me of the old CB drums. I feel a truly undervalued kit is a nice set of Slingerlands. They really are fine vintage drums, but go much cheaper than Ludwig's or Rogers from the same era. Unless you have gobs o bucks, stay away from the earlier Radio Kings. Look for kits from the 60's and 70's and you'll do fine.

Much luck!

fishwaltz
Posted on 15 years ago
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Cool guys, thanks a lot.

I was actually wondering about the difference between

the two mahogany shells. Thanks Section2.

I never thought about buying the drums separate.

and I do own a 1960's era slingerland snare drum, so

slingerland drums might work out really well.

I'll check that out on Ebay and Craigslist, thank you

mcjnic and Fishwaltz.

Also, I found this kit on ebay, thought it might be worth

having some experts take a look at it..

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!

_nemo

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1966 Slingerland "Modern Jazz Outfit"
1960's Zildjian Avedis Cymbals


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Posted on 15 years ago
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Too much money. That's a stencil kit with a Kent tom. Bass, two smaller toms that don't match, and a snare. No floor. Count shipping costs and you are at 300. You can do much better than that. A patient drummer can score a Slingerland kit for that much. I've seen Ludwig Standards go for 300.

Posted on 15 years ago
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Hey, thanks for the input.

The seller says he can ship to me possibly for 200$

And also when you use the word "stencil" your refering to a

P.O.S Japanese kit right? I figured that could have been a possibility.

I checked out Slingerland Drums, and they are really not showing up

on Ebay. Toms are going for like 100-120$ a pop, and the

Kick drums typically don't have hardware and were going for like 100$

so, plus cost of hardware would run me like 150$ prolly?

Complete kits were like 650-800$

Quick question, I've seen a TON of ludwig kits that look like this..

http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/msg/1314140267.html

These are late 70's kits, right?

So, not really what I'm looking for?

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1966 Slingerland "Modern Jazz Outfit"
1960's Zildjian Avedis Cymbals


www.myspace.com/oliverandtheattackofthelovely
Posted on 15 years ago
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I was reading the last post, and just to clarify,

Slingerland drums, DID show up on Ebay, just not

in my price range.

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1966 Slingerland "Modern Jazz Outfit"
1960's Zildjian Avedis Cymbals


www.myspace.com/oliverandtheattackofthelovely
Posted on 15 years ago
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I also am looking at a rogers BIG R series drumset.

Are these drums the less desireable of rogers kits?

Will they sound okay?

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1966 Slingerland "Modern Jazz Outfit"
1960's Zildjian Avedis Cymbals


www.myspace.com/oliverandtheattackofthelovely
Posted on 15 years ago
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The Ludwigs in that CL pic are Rockers. Definitely not going to give you the sound you want. As far as Rogers Big R...those are more or less Rock kits, also. They will not give you the sound you are searching for. I pieced together a Slingerland kit on ebay from orphans and came out at 300. I'm not sure you are looking at all of the listings. There's a bass (5 ply) on there in red sparkle. It's a marching bass. It's going for something like 50 or 60 bucks. There are some spurs going for 30. That puts the bass under 100. There is a 3 ply tenor tom (used as a floor) on there for about 70. Legs and mounts at 40. There's a 12 and a 13 on there for about 60 each. You can choose between the two if you want. There's also a 14 inch tom if you so choose. It's in the same range as the 13. So, that puts the kit at about 300-ish when you factor in shipping. It's a mix of 3 and 5 ply, but with careful head selection and tensioning, you will get the sound. A 5 ply bass is excusable when you are cutting corners on something like this. This is a very feasible kit for the low cost. You won't have a matching kit, but that can be fixed at a later date. Right now, you are looking at the shells and lugs and such. You want quality. That's what these are.

Posted on 15 years ago
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So the marching drums will really get the same sound?

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1966 Slingerland "Modern Jazz Outfit"
1960's Zildjian Avedis Cymbals


www.myspace.com/oliverandtheattackofthelovely
Posted on 15 years ago
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From nemo007

Hello.I have a few questions about vintage drums.I only own one kit, and it is a Maple CX series by DW,but recently I realized that even with the right heads Ican't find the sound I want. So i decided that I wantedI nice set of Vintage drums, similar in sound toold jazz drummers like Rich and Kruppa. I wantedsomething with low end punch..and so here goes...1. Do Mahogany/poplar shells get the sound I wantgenerally speaking?2. How much can I expect to pay for a 3 piece kit inthis wood consisting of a 24" kick, 13" rack, and 16" floor(already have a few nice snares that do a good enough job, so I just need toms, and kick)3. I was also exploring the possibility of trying to buynaked shells and wrapping them up myself, so is therea good place to buy these shells online?Btw, I'm 18, and I've been drumming for like...5-6 years, so I have to admit I don't know a whole ton about drumsbut I do know what sounds I like, so any help would be extremely appreciated, thank you so much!_Nick

Always remember, your drums sound very different to you sitting behind them playing than they do outside the kit in the 'audience' or mics....make sure you listen to someone else play your current drums from a distance... every room, every sound system, even your sticks make a difference on your sound...

I own the LX series of the same drums you have and heads and tuning make a big diff on the sound..... IMHO

good luck manband2

Posted on 15 years ago
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