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From Purdie Shuffle

That 22" bass drum is drilled for Club Date lugs. There's a ton of 20"s out there, but not too many ten-lug, 22" clubbie bass drums around. As Jeff mentioned, I asked him to leave the holes closed so I could work on the interiors worry-free of any leakage to the outside of the shell. Just makes it easier for me to work on them.As for the drilling, I've been refurbishing old kits for more than 25 years. No worries on opening up the holes in the veneer.Yes! Now they are 4-ply shells! I'm hoping that the new outer layer of Mahogany veneer warms up the sound even more. Oaklawn Camco's were 4-ply shells and those drums sound out-of-this-world good. It's an experiment, I'll let you know if it worked. I didn't want to go with another run-of-the-mill wrap. I just figured if anything, the natural wood would be a better choice sound-wise. I love the look of natural finish drums.Scott - If I flip them, I'll never make any $ on them. These 'project-kits' -if you do them right- are always an expensive proposition. Many project kit beginners make the mistake of grossly underestimating the actual costs of refurbishing a vintage kit, it's a common oversight. All said and done, I'm already in for $900. on this one. Unless someone makes me an outrageous offer for them, they're more than likely to be around for quite awhile. I do buy project kits to flip, it provides a modest side income to my pension, but I didn't buy this one with 'flipping' in mind. I love clubbies and I especially love the sizes of this one. I'm looking forward to enjoying it myself.John

John,

I am glad to hear you are keeping them. A labour or love as it were.

To your point of the financials of flipping drums, I am amazed that so many guys do that and seem to find some success there. It seems like unless you find that $50 Hollywood kit at a garage sale, you would be hard pressed to make any real money at this. Kind of goes back to the question regarding Steve Maxwell and how he is able to run a NYC storefront. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it at all, just curious as to how those numbers work.

Looking forward to seeing these completed sir!

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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> just curious as to how those numbers work.

Scott - Steve Maxwell is a 'High-end' dealer, there is -always- a much better profit margin/cushion in high-end kits than in 'player-grade' stuff. Adding $1000. to the price of a high-end collector kit is easier than adding $200. to the price of a player kit. That's how Maxwell does it.

I owned a small, neighborhood (Mom & Pop style,) music store. It was open from 89' to 95'. Back then, I could hop in my car, drive to Connecticut, or to Pennsylvania and work my way from small town to small town hitting every pawn shop and music store along the way. For sale ads were another great source for me. I was able to buy vintage drums, guitars, amplifiers etc. at such low prices, that it allowed me to make a living, (pay all the expenses for the business and for my home,) in New York City - which is a tough place to survive in financially. Those buying opportunities have disappeared for the most-part. Ebay and all the antique and auction programs on TV have spoiled it for dealers because it has driven the prices of things up to near retail level. No 'cushion' left to make a decent profit and support oneself and a business. It's tough to eek out a living in the retail music business. Chain stores have squeezed the Mom & Pop stores out of existence because they can buy in bulk and totally undercut all the little guys on prices.

It's a different world now...

I'm going to start a thread on 'Project Kits.' It'll be helpful, educate and enlighten drummers who are considering taking on a restoration project for the first time. There's lots people need to know and anticipate before pulling off a restoration project successfully. Look for it. I'd like you to add information/feedback based on your own experiences and knowledge dealing with musical equipment as a part of your business.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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John,

Good idea. Sharing restoration tips is one of the many great things about this forum.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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Jeff - The Jazzfest arrived! And guess what's under the silver sparkle wrap?????

Mahogany! Excited

After you add the veneer, all shells will match perfectly in terms of the ply lay-up. I will strip and prep the shell over the weekend. Monday I will ship it out to you with the 3-ply mahogany Pioneer shell I promised you.

Movin' and groovin' right along!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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Cool! can we just do the finish and forget the veneer then?

Take your time! I cant do anything for a few weeks.

How are the other shells coming along? Have you done any painting?

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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From jccabinets

Cool! can we just do the finish and forget the veneer then?Take your time! I cant do anything for a few weeks.How are the other shells coming along? Have you done any painting?Jeff C

Just now finished the second coat on the interior of the bass drum! I don't want give you conniptions so I'm leaving the interior of the 15" natural mahogany.

I have one hoop stripped and one to go. BTW, the old calfskin heads I have went on the shells just fine! Surprise, surprise!

Jeff, removing the wrap tore some strips out of the outer ply. I'm just going to fill and sand, but the surface needs to be veneered to look good. They used a strong contact cement and the wood grain just sticks to the wrap. Looks a little like the furry surface of a coconut! lol

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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Well that fine, we can veneer it. Im glad the heads went on the 13, I was worried about that. Also glad to hear your leaving that 15" shell natural! Cant wait to see pics of the kit!


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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From jccabinets

Well that fine, we can veneer it. Im glad the heads went on the 13, I was worried about that. Also glad to hear your leaving that 15" shell natural! Cant wait to see pics of the kit!

That's right, he's leaving the interior of the 15" unpainted...as far as you know. Eye Ball

Looking forward to seeing the finished kit! Brilliant work guys.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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John, I have your snare drum shell. And thank you for the WFL shell! That is a cool drum shell, Im thinking on just finishing it without adding veneer and keeping it a six luger. Might need some help figuring out what the original hardware was for that shell.

As far as yours goes, I will get to it as soon as I can. I have two big jobs that need completed in the next few weeks. How are the other shells coming?

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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I'll post up some photos later. Just waiting on a new bass drum reso head to arrive and I'm done with the other drums on this end. The snare will be the icing on the cake!

The shell I sent to you is a 50's 3-ply mahogany WFL Pioneer. It's the same shell Ludwig used to make Jazzfests. You can keepit a 6-lugger as is or convert it for 8-lugs and make a J-fest. Enjoy it...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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