Hmmmm.....

I play an 18" B8pro right now as a practice cymbal, and actually prefer it to my 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash. Even though the sustain is way longer, especially the louder you play on it, the B8 still has the trash that a china should have, even when played quietly. The Zilly sounds amazing(think of a quick, loud KAAAAAHHHHH) for quick accents, and has good enough articulation for a decently long ride section, but I myself prefer the B8Pro. It just sounds trashier for the metal/hardcore i play. Not tryin to bogart, just offer up my :2Cents:

OK, one last post to this thread. China & Swish Cymbals are important because of their Legacy...this is a Vintage site & these cymbals are part of our musical heritage. You don't have to beat the hell out of them, there are many voices incased in those crazy curves. I love them because of their versatility, wether you ride, crash or smack the crap out of them, the tonality is different. I really love my cheap a$$ 18" sig, because if I'm looking for a different color, I pull out the hammers & change the shape until I get what I'm looking for. You guys ought to try this, it's a lot of fun & actually has helped me understand the hammering process involved in cymbal making...just be gentle until you get the hang of it. I've (almost) gotten to the point where I know what to do to acheive the color I want...like I said, a lot of fun.

Later my brothers!

Dan

Not Bogarting- glad to have an extra opinion on this cymbal.

Thanks!!!

The problem is maybe I just never tried all of the different ways to play chinas, and half of it is because the music I have been playing hasn't really made me figure out how to properly play a china. But re-hammering- that's cool sh**!!!!

So far, the Shade is a good quick and trashy accent. Maybe buying a cheap china could eventually help me understand playing chinas and getting along with them.

Thanks for the brain food, Mr. Fungus!!!

You're welcome my brother! The only thing that binds us is our own creativity, just wish I had realized this 20 years ago. Strange thing about age...sex is better...groove is better...the guys I play with are better...but my memory is...ugh...what...no I haven't taken the cat...what!, sorry the dog out yet!...SH!T, I hate that little bast...oh, sorry B!tch. DOH

OK, I'm outa here..............Kleening

Maybe a PST5 or a Sabian b8 pro? Then I hammer on them if I don't like it? I dunno...

Have fun cleaning- just don't clean yourself out of existence, Mr. Fungus!!!!

I've owned several Octagons. They were amazing cymbals. I had a 16, an 18, and a 20. Unreal cymbals. Nice large bells and ride-worthy for some wickedly cool grooves. Thanks, Jaghog. I'd forgotten about those beauts.

Those do have an interesting sound (as far as a computer with earphones). So many choices!!!!

18 was my favorite of the group. I also had a couple of these tiny ones ... Like a 8 and 10. Those were even pretty cool. If you can find an 18 ... Wow.