Sam Ash has the B8 Pro 20 china for 125 free shipping. I may order one today. I miss that cymbal.
Also, the Sabian 20 HH Dark china is pretty slick, too. Very costly, though. I've owned two in the past. Liked them a lot. So was the 18 and 20 HH Thin chinas. Very very quick.
But, for how I play, it's the 20 B8 Pro for me.
I think I just have to find the right one. The selection is so limited in most stores these days...
Very limited!...that's why I buy cheap a$$ cymbals on the Bay, no-one actually stocks these because of the cost! But they are not (as far as what I play) for the heavy player, especially the 20" swish...it is a subtile cymbal that demands a velvet touch. Really can't describe the technique other than "Old Age". LOL!
One of my first cymbals was a Paiste 2002 22" china type. It took some time to get used to it and an understanding of its nature. It to me always sounded way better with music than just with the kit. I can readily agree with al9000's comments below... especially the gong statement. Washes with mallets are incredible with something like this cymbal.
My first china was a black label 2K2. Just loud and raucous for me. But again- I never gigged it with a band.
Very limited!...that's why I buy cheap a$$ cymbals on the Bay, no-one actually stocks these because of the cost! But they are not (as far as what I play) for the heavy player, especially the 20" swish...it is a subtile cymbal that demands a velvet touch. Really can't describe the technique other than "Old Age". LOL!
You so funny!!!!
There re just so many Paiste chinas out there. It makes me mad that a place like GC wouldn't stock all of them; after all- they certainly have the purchasing power...
I miss the old Sig swish, but just as a cymbal, not as part of my cymbal arsenel.
Sam Ash has the B8 Pro 20 china for 125 free shipping. I may order one today. I miss that cymbal. Also, the Sabian 20 HH Dark china is pretty slick, too. Very costly, though. I've owned two in the past. Liked them a lot. So was the 18 and 20 HH Thin chinas. Very very quick. But, for how I play, it's the 20 B8 Pro for me.
I need to take my main crashes to a place with that china and see if they get along.
You so funny!!!!There re just so many Paiste chinas out there. It makes me mad that a place like GC wouldn't stock all of them; after all- they certainly have the purchasing power...I miss the old Sig swish, but just as a cymbal, not as part of my cymbal arsenel.
I use many subtle cymbals in my setup, I have the 6, 8, 10, 12 splashes - 14 & 17 thin crashes, 16, 18, 20 full crashes, 20 flat ride Sig, 20 full ride sig & 22 med-thin Trad as well as the 18 Sig thin China & the 20 Trad Swish. I love the different colors these pieces of art bring to the table. Also have 13 light-dark Sig hats & 14 New Sig Mark II hats. The older I get the more important all the sounds/colors I can bring to the table. I love the new guys out there that are bringing in all the sounds that were ignored during the 70's & 80's and even the 90's.
I have never been a real fan of the china cymbal, although I do own one. Its nothing special, just a 20" Wuhan, bought it because it was cheap and to have in the cymbal arsenal.
However, there are only two guys I've ever seen play a china where I liked what I heard.......Billy Cobham's Zildjian swish cymbal on the Spectrum album, and Jack DeJonnette's china that he used with Sonny Rollins on the 1981 Montreal show....I think that that one was determined to be a Paiste Sound Creation china......if all china cymbals sounded like either of those, I'd be sold on them. Unfortunately, most sound like garbage can lids when you hit them....the one I own included.....
I have never been a real fan of the china cymbal, although I do own one. Its nothing special, just a 20" Wuhan, bought it because it was cheap and to have in the cymbal arsenal. However, there are only two guys I've ever seen play a china where I liked what I heard.......Billy Cobham's Zildjian swish cymbal on the Spectrum album, and Jack DeJonnette's china that he used with Sonny Rollins on the 1981 Montreal show....I think that that one was determined to be a Paiste Sound Creation china......if all china cymbals sounded like either of those, I'd be sold on them. Unfortunately, most sound like garbage can lids when you hit them....the one I own included.....
Billy has said often that most people don't know how to play a china swish knocker (the one he played way long time ago). Me thinks he's right...
I'd love me a Sound Creation ANYTHING!!!! I hope that with the re-introduction of the 602 alloy and the core cymbals, that possibly Sound Creations will return.
I use many subtle cymbals in my setup, I have the 6, 8, 10, 12 splashes - 14 & 17 thin crashes, 16, 18, 20 full crashes, 20 flat ride Sig, 20 full ride sig & 22 med-thin Trad as well as the 18 Sig thin China & the 20 Trad Swish. I love the different colors these pieces of art bring to the table. Also have 13 light-dark Sig hats & 14 New Sig Mark II hats. The older I get the more important all the sounds/colors I can bring to the table. I love the new guys out there that are bringing in all the sounds that were ignored during the 70's & 80's and even the 90's.
You're right about the sounds IGNORED. This is one reason why I have crashes and hardly any splashes. I kinda wish I had the $$$ to collect EVERY colour there was to collect as far as a cymbal pallette!!!
I went through a Zilly period, but they just are not very innovative. Zildjian make a quality product, but I am unimpressed as far as innovative cymbals. But then again- they are the oldest cymbal maker, so they are innovators in that way. Paiste thinks waaaay outside the box and is extremely innovative, followed by Sabian. Saluda actually is pretty innovative, as well.
I am not sure what kind it is but Rob Bourdin of Linkin Park uses his China cymbal to great effect. It totally enhances and yet somehow improves the music of one of the best bands to ever hit the airwaves! guitar2guitar2
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