Hello,
I know lots of MIJ kits were "luan" or "phillipine mahogany", the darker, stringier type wood. I have one of those kits (Black Jack) that are 3 ply with re-rings. The re-rings are clearly a different type of wood. Did they use maple for re-rings? Birch? They are much lighter in color with a different grain pattern and texture.
Thanks for your help!
V
On my Zims its clearly a maple re ring, and it makes a world of difference.
I too wonder about this, as I have seen some MIJs with re-rings that are quite flimsy and I would not think that maple would be so flimsy, especially when applied to be a reinforcement.
With all due respect, Zim-Gar, while indeed MIJ, may not be an indicator of standard practices in Asia at the time, as I am sure many have noticed that Zim-Gars seem to be much higher on the quality level than many others of that time - with the DieCast rims and such. And no, not implying that you were implying that ZimGar would be an indicator of the standard practice. ( I hope that makes sense) I only wish I could afford a Zim-Gar kit...those are some cool drums!
John
n these M.I.J. sets the re-rings that i have seen some have been maple but not to many most are the same kind of the wood the shell is made out of...Mikey
Although, Japan does have certain Maple species----of the 128 or so worldwide Maple species, only Sugar( sometimes called hard or rock maple) is of significance in musical instruments. All of the supplies of this wood would come from Eastern Canada or the U.S. northeast. Prior to Neil Peart's much vaunted and expensive , for sure, endorsement of Pearl in the mid-70's , it would seem highly unusual for imported Maple to occur in lowgrade entry level Japanese drums.----certainly, not in the rering shell era and certainly not in the 60's----the wood would have been worth more than the drums.-----all of the 60's drums, I have seen, had a pale ,very soft wood----often stapled together at the end. ----not an easy task to staple into maple----as rerings. If those were made from a North American wood, I would say it was Spruce but since it was likely from Taiwan( Japan was accessing Taiwanese forests as well as S.E. Asia at the time), it could be a Spruce, Pine, Hemlock or Fir species from there.All were heavily logged and exported for cheap,cheap,cheap----just what the Japanese needed, so they could make drums that were, cheap, cheap, cheap.
Taiwan has considerable coniferous forest reserves-----not dissimilar to those of Vancouver Island, although considerably more depleted ----and like Vancouver Island it is mostly softwood. It was an obvious call, for the developing Japanese economy to lean on Taiwan for structural wood and that is what was in those rerings. If it was a hardwood-----perhaps, Taiwanese Ash , might be a remote possibility.
My U.S. Mercuries definitely have decent pine rings. Not so rigid, though...
Although, Japan does have certain Maple species----of the 128 or so worldwide Maple species, only Sugar( sometimes called hard or rock maple) is of significance in musical instruments. All of the supplies of this wood would come from Eastern Canada or the U.S. northeast. Prior to Neil Peart's much vaunted and expensive , for sure, endorsement of Pearl in the mid-70's , it would seem highly unusual for imported Maple to occur in lowgrade entry level Japanese drums.----certainly, not in the rering shell era and certainly not in the 60's----the wood would have been worth more than the drums.-----all of the 60's drums, I have seen, had a pale ,very soft wood----often stapled together at the end. ----not an easy task to staple into maple----as rerings. If those were made from a North American wood, I would say it was Spruce but since it was likely from Taiwan( Japan was accessing Taiwanese forests as well as S.E. Asia at the time), it could be a Spruce, Pine, Hemlock or Fir species from there.All were heavily logged and exported for cheap,cheap,cheap----just what the Japanese needed, so they could make drums that were, cheap, cheap, cheap. Taiwan has considerable coniferous forest reserves-----not dissimilar to those of Vancouver Island, although considerably more depleted ----and like Vancouver Island it is mostly softwood. It was an obvious call, for the developing Japanese economy to lean on Taiwan for structural wood and that is what was in those rerings. If it was a hardwood-----perhaps, Taiwanese Ash , might be a remote possibility.
You know calf, I'm sick and tired of your denigration. If you are going to continue down-casting "Asian" products, go the phuck away. Stay over in your real so-called "expertise" of anything else, like wood-working, pis sing off the world and European drums, you dick. You try to make so many others feel as if you are doing them a favor by answering, but you are doing more harm than good because you are talking down to people that don't know the truth, and then someone ends up throwing out a good kit because of your low-browing. I, for one, am tired of your bull$hit. Stay out of our tree and those of us that don't know $hit about Premier will stay away from you, OK?
a little hot and humid in Norman ,Oklahoma these days, is it?
Ya know -
I love to watch boxing - when I get around to it. Also, like most people, I love to see the drama going on when some big thing is goin' down - even like fights in high school. I admit this, all the while also doing my best to stop said fights in school (I'm a teacher) and feel it is very foolish.
Now, there are no implications in this post, so don't suck me into any of this. I could comment here, but I won't.....other than saying this.
Perhaps what this forum needs is an ability for private threads/discussions for 2 people to have it out - while being monitored by a moderator or better yet several moderators - so long as it would not become all political (to get to be one of these moderators! What is the concensus on this/that issue? - the Supreme Court of VDF!). That would be good here - and evidently this has been the case before today - as the lack of resolution from past discussions is obvious.
Meanwhile, I will just continue to enjoy my MIJs with the true secret - not that they are any better or worse or anything like that - but that, simply put, it does not take alot of money to make a great sounding and great looking kit - no matter where it was made or by who. The more ignorance about this, the more cool affordable MIJs for me to enjoy :) Other drummers, on the other hand, should have the diligence and should know better than to read one post about the value of MIJs. If they don't it would likely be sold for low dough - another blessing for someone else who knows the truth about these.
Oops, I think I commented when I said I wasn't....oh well. I appreciate any knowledge I can suck off of other members (calf) even if I think they are foolish to have the opinions they have of MIJ....so long as that is his opinion ("cheap cheap cheap"-----wonder if he was referring to their value as an instrument or only the low cost of manufacturing these drums)
Wait - maybe the biggest secret would be EDGES EDGES EDGES!!!!! It's all about the edges - especially with the use of studio rings. I love it when an engineer or producer compliments me by saying that they practically won't have to do any EQing since it is already done for them. That was not an isolated incident either.
Ok, back to researching and reading about R380s.....
John
cheap cheap cheap
read the thread Figuring out what my drums might be.
