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Vintage Ludwig deal - Need help! Last viewed: 10 minutes ago

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From BosLover

Your shells are maple/poplar, his kit is several years older with shells of mahogany/poplar.

Almost all wrapped 3 ply Ludwig shells with the clear maple interiors have an outer ply of mahogany, so the layup (outside to inside) is mahogany/poplar/maple. There are exceptions with maple on the outside under the wrap, and, of course, natural finish or lacquered drums have maple exteriors, but the majority of the wrapped output has mahogany on the outside. Many folks think they are maple/poplar/maple but if you look at them closely you will find that most aren't.

If you look closely at the close up of the ding in the OP's new tom you can see some shards of red mahogany right under the wrap. The light wood is the poplar.

Nice kit BTW, should clean up pretty good. It's hard for us to judge your deal over on this side of the Atlantic as these type of sets are much easier to find here.

Did you determine what your snare is made of. A magnet won't help as it won't stick to brass or aluminum which are the two possible metals. Pretty sure it's an aluminum drum based on your earlier pictures. Nothing wrong with that. Supras are very good sounding snare drums.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From K.O.

Almost all wrapped 3 ply Ludwig shells with the clear maple interiors have an outer ply of mahogany, so the layup (outside to inside) is mahogany/poplar/maple. There are exceptions with maple on the outside under the wrap, and, of course, natural finish or lacquered drums have maple exteriors, but the majority of the wrapped output has mahogany on the outside. Many folks think they are maple/poplar/maple but if you look at them closely you will find that most aren't.If you look closely at the close up of the ding in the OP's new tom you can see some shards of red mahogany right under the wrap. The light wood is the poplar.Nice kit BTW, should clean up pretty good. It's hard for us to judge your deal over on this side of the Atlantic as these type of sets are much easier to find here.Did you determine what your snare is made of. A magnet won't help as it won't stick to brass or aluminum which are the two possible metals. Pretty sure it's an aluminum drum based on your earlier pictures. Nothing wrong with that. Supras are very good sounding snare drums.

I was unfamiliar with that. All the references I have read indicate that the shells were mahogany/poplar/mahogany until sometime in 1967 when they started using maple/poplar/maple. I not disputing what you are saying. Its just the first I've heard of this.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
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From BosLover

I was unfamiliar with that. All the references I have read indicate that the shells were mahogany/poplar/mahogany until sometime in 1967 when they started using maple/poplar/maple. I not disputing what you are saying. Its just the first I've heard of this.

Every clear maple interior, wrapped 3 ply Ludwig I own or have examined closely has a mahogany exterior ply. Mahogany works great for this due to it's porous nature as it gives the wrap glue a better surface to stick to. However it seems nearly everyone believes these drums to be "maple". That includes Ludwig themselves who made their Legacy series like that. That's probably are more marketable layup today but sort of ignores the actuality. Of course the major part of any Ludwig 3 ply shell is made of poplar but the inner and outer plies varied over time depending on what wood Ludwig had in stock or could get the best deal on (one reason for the white painted interiors in the 60s was so regardless of whether a drum had a maple or mahogany interior it would match the others in a set). Certainly there are some Ludwig drums that have a maple ply under the wrap but it seems the majority do not. Ludwig did make a decision to stick with maple interiors exclusively from 1968ish on, about the same time they stopped applying the wrap to the plywood before bending it into a shell.

The popularity of maple for drums makes it so everyone wants their vintage Ludwigs to be "maple" and I doubt my ranting will change that but if you start actually looking closely at the drums of that era you're probably going to find a mahogany ply under the wrap on most of them.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

The copper is usually applied to steel to grab the Chrome, use a frige magnet if it sticks it`s steel.

I did the magnet test when I went check the drums. It didn't stick and the golden/brown marks that you see in the photo are just residues.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From K.O.

Almost all wrapped 3 ply Ludwig shells with the clear maple interiors have an outer ply of mahogany, so the layup (outside to inside) is mahogany/poplar/maple. There are exceptions with maple on the outside under the wrap, and, of course, natural finish or lacquered drums have maple exteriors, but the majority of the wrapped output has mahogany on the outside. Many folks think they are maple/poplar/maple but if you look at them closely you will find that most aren't.If you look closely at the close up of the ding in the OP's new tom you can see some shards of red mahogany right under the wrap. The light wood is the poplar.Nice kit BTW, should clean up pretty good. It's hard for us to judge your deal over on this side of the Atlantic as these type of sets are much easier to find here.Did you determine what your snare is made of. A magnet won't help as it won't stick to brass or aluminum which are the two possible metals. Pretty sure it's an aluminum drum based on your earlier pictures. Nothing wrong with that. Supras are very good sounding snare drums.

Hi. Thank you for your replies. I did the magnet test but it didn't stick. I think the magnet wouldn't stick to copper too. Anyway, it seems to be a 14"x5" Supra (aluminium). I will post more photos later.

Cheers

Posted on 8 years ago
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From JohnBonham

I did the magnet test when I went check the drums. It didn't stick and the golden/brown marks that you see in the photo are just residues.

So it`s Ludalloy. An Aluminum Ludwig alloy.

BTW, that hole can be hidden pretty well as long as you don`t lose that piece of wrap. Whatever you do, don`t detach it it`s the last thing you`ll glue back down. Repair the inside first with clamps and blocks, then the middle , then the final top wrap. dry in between steps.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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Oh, DO NOT USE HEAT TO SOFTEN THE WRAP IT WILL SHRINK IT.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

Oh, DO NOT USE HEAT TO SOFTEN THE WRAP IT WILL SHRINK IT.

Thanks for warning. I wouldn't do it anyway.

Any advice about the glue? Should I use wood glue?

Posted on 8 years ago
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From JohnBonham

Thanks for warning. I wouldn't do it anyway.Any advice about the glue? Should I use wood glue?

Wood glue and or filler if needed on the wood repairs, Countertop contact cement (available in tiny cans), or commercial EPDM yellow adhesive from a roofing supply company (gallon can), they are both the same product.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

Wood glue and or filler if needed on the wood repairs, Countertop contact cement (available in tiny cans), or commercial EPDM yellow adhesive from a roofing supply company (gallon can), they are both the same product.

Ok. What should I use to clean the wood interiors?

Posted on 8 years ago
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