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Bass drum hoop repair ?

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Get some C-style rubber weather stripping and put in between the lugs,...that`s where you put the pedal anyway.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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From FFR428

I'm sure it can be sectioned and repaired just fine.

I'm thinking that as well..

Posted on 8 years ago
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From FFR428

I'm sure it can be sectioned and repaired just fine.

When i press the separated plies together, they all stick together closely, so i'm thinking with vices and the proper glue, and done by a pro, it can be salvaged.. I've contacted a couple of places about repairing and just waiting to hear back from them..

Fingers crossed ! ;)

Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

Get some C-style rubber weather stripping and put in between the lugs,...that`s where you put the pedal anyway.

I'm thinking that may weaken it even further, but i will however put a protective rubber cover after it's repaired, (gibraltar make them),but if it does get repaired properly, i'm going to place that part of the hoop at the top, just to be safe ;)

Posted on 8 years ago
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From human71

When i press the separated plies together, they all stick together closely, so i'm thinking with vices and the proper glue, and done by a pro, it can be salvaged.. I've contacted a couple of places about repairing and just waiting to hear back from them..Fingers crossed ! ;)

If that's the case.... Clamps wrapped in plastic (To avoid sticking to the hoop).... Then several liberal doses of SUPER GLUE.... the super glue will soak in to the ply and harden it like a rock.... Just like "doping" paper in model work... allow plenty of drying time between applications... then fill and finish as required...

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 8 years ago
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I wouldn't suggest cyanoacrylate glues because they are too brittle.

Stick with marine epoxy with the slow hardener. That's available from west system. It's good enough to hold boats together and what I would use for this repair.

But honestly it may end up costing as much or more than a new hoop. My 18" kick came with "custom" wood hoops so I ordered a set of new ones from Yamaha through Sam ash. It wasn't crazy money and only took a couple weeks (from Japan I think).

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 8 years ago
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Super Glue will Penetrate... Where the Epoxy will not... once it does don't worry it will not shatter due to brittleness...

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 8 years ago
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Sounds like you are going to pass on doing this yourself. Understand that.

Will toss this out for disscusion. I would look into using "rendered hide glue". Old school furniture shops will know what you are on about. Maybe best place to get it mended?? Will flex and can be removed if need be. Also this is original type glue used in the era.

Best of luck on the project!

Creighton

Nothing special here but I like them.
Posted on 8 years ago
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John that's very interesting about the super glue.

Creighton my son uses a bit of hide glue in his trade. He keeps it in a crock pot with a thermometer in it. It turns to a wax like solid when not in use and heated.

Human71 hope the repair goes well. Nice to keep it with original parts.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 8 years ago
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From longjohn

Super Glue will Penetrate... Where the Epoxy will not... once it does don't worry it will not shatter due to brittleness...CheersJohn

John, I have to respectfully disagree with your advice. I have used cyanoacrylate in many formulations and they are great for certain applications but a structural repair is not one of them. I am sure you also have a lot of experience with them but not much with boat builders epoxy.

The slow cure hardener will allow significant penetration and the repair will be stronger than the rest of the hoop. The pedal can continue to use that part of the hoop with no issues, and in the unlikely even of water again, it will not delaminate.

"Super glue" is useful stuff (great for clear lacquer chips) but not for this sort of repair.

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 8 years ago
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