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Bass drum hoop repair ?

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I'm hoping JCCabinets can hone on this thread and offer his

woodworking wisdom.. Or if anyone can give me some sound advice on how to go about repairing my badly damaged bass drum hoop, i'd really appreciate it..

After picking up an awesome set of vintage Yamaha drums, the entire kit was in almost flawless condition, except for one bass drum hoop and both spurs..

The issues-

1- Damaged spurs that i'll be replacing and ordering directly from Yamaha Canada..The mounts are in perfect order, but the spurs aren't..One wobbles and has been modified with some big old hex screw, which is tightened and doesn't budge..

2- The batter side hoop has what looks to be water damage where the pedal clamp was, all the plies of wood have come apart and are separating.

I thought about bringing it to a Luthier to see if it can be repaired, because i want this kit to be all original, and don't feel like replacing it with an unmatching Gibraltar or current Yamaha hoop..

So my question is, judging by the pics, can it be repaired or saved ?

Thanks to all in advance for the advice..

Posted on 8 years ago
#1
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I would say it's toast! i'm sure someone, some were, could repair it, but would it be worth it in the end? replacement would be the easy and smart way out.

Posted on 8 years ago
#2
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That looks like a RC hoop (no inlay) and I think you would be well served to get a pair of ne hoops from Yamaha.

Gibraltar are not as thick, nor are the Ames ones as I recall. If that was a D-20 (which does have inlay) an Ames hoop would work.

It can be repaired with West System and some accurate forms but if it is a wood grain finish it will look horrible. Solid color over a proper west system repair looks perfect.

Just getting a small west system kit will cost as much as a new hoop... Then you need the forms and skill set...

Cut your losses and buy new, or maybe used on eBay...

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Posted on 8 years ago
#3
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Oooooh, that's pretty bad. I don't know where you'd even start to try to repair that! I agree with the others - replace them.

Posted on 8 years ago
#4
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From R.Adam McHugh

Oooooh, that's pretty bad. I don't know where you'd even start to try to repair that! I agree with the others - replace them.

It's kinda what i figured...Thing is, the other hoop is fine..I'll see what the criteria is for ordering a hoop through my local shop from Yamaha Canada, and how much it will cost.. Any high end Yamaha 22" bass hoop will run in the $150 range, but if i can get one from a lower budget Yamaha series, like a Rock Tour hoop, then maybe it'll look ok, but they don't offer much in that series as far as finishes go. The textured red burst would look nice on the natural vintage lacquer though..

The other problem ? Will the original claws fit on a new set of hoops ?

Anyway,i'll see what the next step will be..I'm still going to take it into a Lutherie specialist and see what they say..They've repaired 10-15K violins that were broken, so i'm hoping they may be able to help me out.

If he says it can be repaired, i'm going to ask him to refinish the hoops in a darker, reddish stain..

Posted on 8 years ago
#5
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Yikes ! That is pretty bad. If you have a jig-saw and a few clamps this is worth a try. Build a positive and negitive wood mold that is slightly larger than the width of the rim and extends 4 or so inches on either side of the edges of the water damage. Just marker the radius from the good part of the rim onto the wood and cut that line. There will be both halves. Cut excess wood so that the clamps fit and "bicycle spoke" around the arc.

Test clamp at light pressure. It may just break. Can't tell if any good wood left. If breaks or not clean everything and use a stout woodworking glue and wrap in plastic wrap and clamp. Plastic wrap keeps from gluing the mold to the hoop (very bad).

Hope others chime in as well. Hard fix and applaud you wanting to stay original. If it does break might be able to use a ratcheting cargo strap to pull it to round and then clamp the water damage. Wish you well !!

Creighton

Nothing special here but I like them.
Posted on 8 years ago
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From Creighton

Yikes ! That is pretty bad. If you have a jig-saw and a few clamps this is worth a try. Build a positive and negitive wood mold that is slightly larger than the width of the rim and extends 4 or so inches on either side of the edges of the water damage. Just marker the radius from the good part of the rim onto the wood and cut that line. There will be both halves. Cut excess wood so that the clamps fit and "bicycle spoke" around the arc. Test clamp at light pressure. It may just break. Can't tell if any good wood left. If breaks or not clean everything and use a stout woodworking glue and wrap in plastic wrap and clamp. Plastic wrap keeps from gluing the mold to the hoop (very bad). Hope others chime in as well. Hard fix and applaud you wanting to stay original. If it does break might be able to use a ratcheting cargo strap to pull it to round and then clamp the water damage. Wish you well !! Creighton

That sounds like great advice, but i'm afraid i'm not experienced nor equipped enough for that type of huge task :( Maybe this is what the Luthier would do to repair it ? I'm hoping others will give their insight as well, and thanks to all of you for all the sound advice and opinions..

Posted on 8 years ago
#7
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Is the whole hoop damaged or just the section pictured?

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 8 years ago
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From FFR428

Is the whole hoop damaged or just the section pictured?

Just that section, and some very tiny minor ply separation a little further up.

Posted on 8 years ago
#9
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I'm sure it can be sectioned and repaired just fine.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 8 years ago
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