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I am Tired of seeing DW drums

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ludwig-dude. brother HE HE If we ever meet each other i'm buying you a beer, you and i are more freakn alike than i care to admit, both of us are A++ personalities, and like you said about sound engineers, they hate me to,and i can rip a guitar player a new one also, but only when it's needed!!Cool1

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From Mike T

Wow is this a great thread or what? hehehehehehe i feel evil.... Cool1 I am hearing alot of stuff with very little hitting the note of truth.. pitted snares (ludwig) Hmmmm when DW has any snaredrum out of their 300 (and that is the problem why have so many) that is as popular as a ludwig Supra call me i will buy one... the statement of saying DW has 300 snares is exactly my point why ? make a good line of 4,5 or even 6 snares and sell them at a fair market price there is no need for 300, their footpedals ? lol why does everyone still like the speedking? My point is this and this goes back to the original post why do they make so much stuff they are woerse than the japan drums in the 70,s most if not all their gear is a copy of somebody elses and i am just tired of their BS, give away drums to every drummer who plays to more than 200 people and call yourself the greatest ! There are many good drum products out there and most of them are vintage and it all still works great.. i have played Rogers drums for over 45 years i NEVER, NEVER broke a cymbal stand or tilter no plastic there... NEXT!

Exactly Mike! I still have my WFL speed king that I got 30 years ago and it works like its new still! All the Atlas and Hercules hardware I have still holds up fine! Only plastic on those is the cymbal tilter sleeves I added...:D

Also the 68 supraphonic I got from my dad that he bought new has ZERO pitting on it and it was gigged with every weekend for nearly 40 years! And it still sounds great! No other snare required. :p

Ok NOW I'm done....I swear! :p

Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

My friend, i respect your opinion, Dw shells are thin not thick, and you being a lover of import equipment dw has a ton of it, their pacific line, PdP line is afforadble and good sounding?! ! this is a pic of the shell inside this has re rings also, thick i think not?? you all can hate them all you want the only place that DW is going are UP!!!Bowing

I do stand corrected on a minor point. I emailed the guy here, says he only buys a certain line. Don't ask me, (flat and lifeless),I know nothing beyond what I see, and the sound I hear everywhere . His kits are all thicker shells, says he hates the sound of thin shells, they vibrate too much, so he has all thicker DW. I don't know where they come from, and the fact they are not the same as yours leads me to believe they build them for him. Custom? That's what he says.

Anyway, I am aware of the PDP line, and that they are DW. I like my cheap, NOT American drums. They have a warmth that, to me, rivals many older of the American drums they emulate. Until you hear them, and some of the members have posted videos of the "cheesy" snares, and many here have commented how warm and comfy they sound, you will not get why I am just as happy with my $100 set as you are with your $2000 set. I like the sound they make. And soon, you will all get a chance to hear these old cans. I will be making a video this week to showcase my little cheap-ass MIJ, no name, no love crap. And hopefully, you will hear why they are just as nice as many American drums from the same era. However, in order to hear the sweet sound, you have to have an open mind, along with open ears.

I have listend to music, been a part of the music scene in many cities for many years. I know a lot of big name people, I don't share the secrets of their time off stage, how they party, or who they party with, or their favorite party favors.

I do know that in the last 10-15 years, honestly since Jerry Garcia died, the sounds of music have changed, and that sound comes, to my ears, not from the guitars so much as from the drums. To be truthful, there is not much in the way of new music that I can say I really like. I am of the school of thought that a song starts with a note, and ends when it ends, winding it's way through intricate melodies and has a life that can only live in that one song, whether it lasts 3:30, or 33:00, it only lives once, and will only be heard once, and never sound the same way again. Jams are, to me, the only way live music sounds....right. I live for the jam, not the uptight, over rehearsed song. The lifeblood of music, not the live song.

Anyway, the drums sound flat and cold today. You can hear the difference in the players that own the drums they play, vs. the ones that are playing freebies. There seems to be more of a connection between them, a love of the instrument, more so than the love of the money. Listen to any set of new songs, you might hear the difference.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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I had no idea this thread was this great.

DW also does a new thing of making their shells into notes. So, I think a 4 pc kit would be set up to make a chord. I have played a few of these kits and I hated the sound. It just wasn't for me.

Rogers early Fullerton Blue Strata 22,13,16 w/brass Dynasonic
My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
USA 2007 Rosewood Gretsch 22,13,16 w/12inch 70's Rosewood Gretsch tom
Posted on 14 years ago
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You know what is great about this thread.. the people posting in it all civil and polite to each other my hats off to you all .. :)

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Mike T

You know what is great about this thread.. the people posting in it all civil and polite to each other my hats off to you all .. :)

Hmm...why is it that we don't see a whole bunch of "Gretsch guys" battling the "Ludwig lovers" on this forum? The drums sound completely different, and everyone has their preferences and opinions--why aren't they cramming them down each others' throats? For that matter, why not start some bouts between people who tune their drums low for rock music and those who tune them high for jazz? Sheesh!

On another drum forum I'm a member of, there are people who absolutely SWEAR by either Pearl, Yamaha, or Ddrum, and I just have to shake my head in disbelief. For anyone who thinks that DW drums are dull and lifeless, I challenge you to stomach playing one of THOSE kits for a minute! *shudders* :confused: Still though, they are entitled to their own opinions, even if they don't line up with mine...

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Super B

I had no idea this thread was this great. DW also does a new thing of making their shells into notes. So, I think a 4 pc kit would be set up to make a chord. I have played a few of these kits and I hated the sound. It just wasn't for me.

super B that's nothing new they've been doing that for a long time its called timber matching, and its a bunch of hog slop, john goodman test the shells and he has them matched to where they are in the same range, the old companies didn't do that and they have some gret sounding drums don't they, so this is one of dw's marketing schemes. here is a pic of my shell with the note stamped inside the shell they are nov 22 2000 model .

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Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

super B that's nothing new they've been doing that for a long time its called timber matching, and its a bunch of hog slop, john goodman test the shells and he has them matched to where they are in the same range, the old companies didn't do that and they have some gret sounding drums don't they, so this is one of dw's marketing schemes. here is a pic of my shell with the note stamped inside the shell they are nov 22 2000 model .

I know, you're right, I should have written "a recent thing" (last decade) instead of a "new thing".

Rogers early Fullerton Blue Strata 22,13,16 w/brass Dynasonic
My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
USA 2007 Rosewood Gretsch 22,13,16 w/12inch 70's Rosewood Gretsch tom
Posted on 14 years ago
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From caddywumpus

But....but......but......the DW stamp says the company started in 1972 (although just building canister thrones at that point...). That's vintage, right? :rolleyes:...speaking of beating a dead horse, let's start ANOTHER thread titled, "How old does a drum have to be to be considered vintage?" I haven't seen one of those in a couple weeks! Laughing H

What does this mean exactly? I started the last thread that I have seen on here on that topic and I do not think it was beating a dead horse. As a matter of fact, I did not see another thread like it and was truely interested in what the populous thought the vintage cut-off was. From the small sample that responded, it spanned over twenty years..... More to the point, it was more of a vintage question than a DW thread with sixty five hits and as such, more appropriate to this forum. This is all I have to say about this.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Mike T

You know what is great about this thread.. the people posting in it all civil and polite to each other my hats off to you all .. :)

That's only cause that big fat round jerk ain't postin' nuttin' here. Shoot, if he was around, spit'd be flying everywhere. He's so pompous and swirley that his keyboard has to be neutered to ensure it stays a one-of-a-kind. ba dom bump

sorry. it just seemed a bit too civil to me, too. it's a bit better now.

Posted on 14 years ago
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