Ok, Dhack,

I'm going to suspend my grasp of reality as much as you seem to have in this matter.

Just suppose........

"The Beatles announced today that they will tour the US, and have released their anxiously awaited new album of new material."

DHack, what do you think the reaction would be?

Think you could score a ticket? Could you even get near the venue? What would the record sales be?

After all these years, (ancient band, remember?) they would still have a tremendous effect.

Oh, Linkin Park had the same press release................(crickets)

Now, in full disclosure.....I am not a Beatles fanatic. I did see them at Shea Stadium (note, I said "see", no one heard them....lol). And the band I was in at the time did not even cover much of their music, preferring to do Stones, Rascals and Animals stuff over Beatles. Do I like their music, sure! Were they the most accomplished musicians of all time? Not hardly. But they worked well together, and provided something unique.

You have to recognize greatness when you see it. I really don't think there will be another group that would have the equivalent impact that the Beatles held. Or the same staying power.

OK, switching light back off.....I'm sure you still can't see anyway.

In the first place, the modern digital stage was invented and perfected by ONE touring band. Grateful Dead. So without this technology, modern music could not possibly exist. Begfore you even think about conrtradicting this FACT, research it. I was there during the development, from the early 80s to the end of the line. I have mede made no mention of The Beatles....They are the true pioneers of an era. The Dead, on the other hand, were pioneers in the realm no other band could possibly understand or fathom. Do you have any idea what the Digital stage does for poor accoustics in a venue like The Ford Center in OKC? It is possibly the WORST venue in the US. Bands avoid it like the plague, the accoustics are horrendous, with the exception of bands that use the digital stage.

It has technology built into that no other concert performance stage can rival. Do you have any idea what that technology is? I watched it transform from a huge "Wall of Sound" to the ultra-modern, low mass, amazingly accurate sound system of today. Any of your modern rockers have anything to do with that? No. Many of them, as a matter of fact, shun the use of it, claiming it's not worth the effort to learn how to perform in it's abundant technological advances. This system actually adjusts itself to the venue, taking much of the guess work out of tuning the venue to the band.

As for LP, and most modern rock bands of the radio, they are simply uninspiring to listen to. Name one song they have that is really something that appeals to more than just your generation, on a wholesale basis.

My young friend from the nieghborhood is 15 can't even tell me who they are, let alone what they play, and he is a drummer, and and plays many styles of rock, new and classic.We have all offered our opinions, you chose to view those as bashing. Well, The Beatles are and old, silly sounding band, hoiwever when we were kids, we enhanced our mind and listened to something you can't possibly understand. The reason you can't understand is because of digitization of music that we, the old pharts, invented for you. Digital music is different, it sounds different than analog music.

For the record, in years past, LP was not a friend of parents because they were very vocal in the frontlines of legalization of marijuana...I will not take a stance on that, but to say they are packaged as a sterilized band for the kiddies is not quite accurate...I can tell you this as I was in Atlanta in the early days of LP and they were nothing more than just another CD sales event, using the platform to gain instant recognition and notariety.

I am saying that, in my opinion they are nothing more than another "Formula 3:26" band that will fade into obscurity in the very near future, along with many thousands of others, both innovative and otherwise....

Recently a member posted a video of a band from the Netherlands, I believe, that is fresh, sounds like rock, not some wanna be all things to all people, and they likely will be lost in the shuffle because they DON"T sound like crap packaged up with slick marketing that force feeds the masses some line about how music is "eveolving". Don't eveolve my music into something that it was not meant to be. Rock should sound like rock and rap should...well, IMO, be banned from all public awareness.

So, this is MY opinion.

Look back in history. Pink Floyd. Need I say more?

Drumhack seriously you are what in your late teens? or early 20's neither is a bad thing you are just uniformed and you do not have the music base to backup all your BS.. again not a bad thing just the way it is... If you did not even know who Ginger Baker was then you really have no clue about Rock and Roll ,Blues or Jazz... so keep your LP like Gregg Allman says Rap is the last three letters of Crap.. If they indeed did sell all those cd's then just consider the source that bought them... night night.

Remember this is from a guy who is 60 and does not like the Beatles,stones,Grateful Dead, but i would listen to them everyday before i would listen to LP once.. Toodles

I will. I against any drugs being illegal. If I have enough money to sit around in a room and do heroin all day who the heck do you think you are saying i can't?

Another addendum, back in the early 70's when I was telling everybody why the 50's Gretsch drums and the K's made in Istanbul were great nobody cared. And nowadays, all the stuff I really care about like homemade varnish, Neal Adams' growing earth, light affecting the pitch sweet spot, frequencies above 100KHz affecting our psyche, wooden horns... nobody cares much about it except as mostly comedy relief. It feels exactly like telling people about RB's and old K's in 1972. People are very interested however, in specific plastic wraps on 1970's made-in-Japan drums. Deep.

I am older than your proposterous assumptions. I have been around long enough to spot biased, one sided statements. Are you the guy who said that moderm musicians don't even know how to play their instruments anymore? A statement like that already has me thinking about the overall-big-picture overview of the one who said it. Not good. LOL. I have plenty of music base to back up whatever I feel like saying and you will not be my default moderator of such things. Just so we are clear on this point, sir. Your post speaks to the very bias I have been railing about. All the people who bought the Beatles garbage were in the know but all of the modern day music lovers who patronize LP and others are twisted. How convenient for you and your arguement.

And get your own sign off. I am the toodles guy.

toodles

drumhack The Band:confused:Toiletx-mas2electricit

other than a goofy joke, i've been pretty silent. kinda hard to believe. the fact is ... not everyone views the world through the same glasses. we all hear things in our own way.

here's a real mindblower ... no two people perceive colors the same and no two people perceive sound the same. that's a biological and physiological fact.

there are gobs of very talented musicians who shun jazz and have no place for the beatles.

we take in what we are exposed to within the framework of time and assign it value (practical and emotional). that is built upon or torn down with each life event.

have you for an instant stopped and considered the incredible amount of input you take in and process each SECOND of every day?

your brain uses that input to make connections or break connections (through myalination) as it continues to lay down the vast network.

consider that no two people have the same input day in and day out.

also consider that no two people have the exact cellular makeup. the physical cell structure and tissues are unique.

when you and i see the color blue, the blue i see is different from the blue you see.

the same is true with sound.

one is compression wave (sound) and one is electromagnetic (visible light).

the only difference between the color blue and the microwave that cooks your hotdog and the radio frequency dialed in to the oldies station and the xray used to view my broken arm is the size and shape of the wave ... and the equipment used to interact with it. that's it.

i'm color deficient, as are most males. does that mean i can't possibly appreciate dali? of course not. but, i can tell you with complete confidence that i see the art different than you.

differences are expected. tolerance is an absolute. the alternative would be to foolishly argue the appearance of the color blue.

Blue? It looks purple to me! :p

Agreed, but with one amendment.....two words: Frank Zappa

And to think, this started as a nice thread about a great drumming icon of the late 1960's......now its all this, all done to spite the majority of the forum because that one doing the spite has, 1) no clue about real music, and 2) just wants to pi$$ off the majority of the forum for his own whimsy.

:rolleyes: DOH

to me it's more of a haze...