I like Wilco these days....... they seem pretty "real".

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I agree, you could dance to that........and it feels good .

As usual, dead on L-D!

It's been 45 some odd years now, and the Beatles are still selling. And, have a music portfolio that is the envy of probably any musician in existence.

45 years from now Linkin Park will be.....who? LoLoLoLo

Umm.....they are kind of already....who? LoLoLoLo

One hit wonders.....:p

Well you see, up until August 1995, the "dance" was still alive and well, only in the largest of stadiums, amphitheaters around the world and arenas as well. Grateful Dead was, in the minds of about 20 million fans world-wide, the last dance band. This was the last band that allowed the music to play the band. There was no 3:26 formula for us. We walked on to the lot early the day of the show to party, meet old friends, make new, and left early the next morning. Sometimes, we would be at the same stadium or amphitheater for several days. On even more rare occasions, we would get to hang out at the same arena for a few days/nights, however the arena scene was markedly different in that most are in the midst of larger metropolitan settings. The daily grind of "suits" walking amongst us as we milled about in our brightly colored clothing, wreaking of nature and trripping our faces off....it was quite a sight to behold, and a curiosity to those whom welcomed us, most warmly, sometimes less so.

The music truly played the band, and all the interaction and nuance was not lost to us or the participants on stage. It was truly musical magic. If you ever witnessed it, you know. If you have ever listened intently to some superb recording, in the "proper frame of mind"....you get it, maybe. But watching and listening was the only way to understand the true intensity of everything that was going on at any given instant.

The audience was also a part of the whole interdependance. I took some friends to Vegas in June of 95, one of which was a "virgin" to the scene. little did we know it was to be our last. As Jerry was preparing to walk out, I grabbed Ricky and we headed for the front row. Once directly in front of Jerry, and within earshot, I shouted, "Now how is this for your first show?" Jerry looked out over the top of his glasses and hit a short riff, looking directly at Ricky and smiling broadly....then it was on.

As an audience member, I have seen over 700 shows in my life. Most of the biggest rock and many others. There is little I can say for a band that is "touring the newest album"...this is MY opinion, that it is less than inspiring, as most bands in this unfortunate situation is having toi conform to the record company sidebar of getting the numbers, not playing the music....even though that is the intent....

I have to agree, the best music has long since been written and performed, and most of today's new music is uninspired and barely listenable. I did not say all, however....

It is something that shall never be again, I am certain. The Government has made certain that there will never be another scene such as was the Grateful Dead and it's traveling circus. There was an "Heir Apparent" in Phish, however GWB made it painfully evident that once Jerry Garcia was gone and the community was tp be splintered, it was never allowed to reform. They took action, swiftly, to stem the flow by making arrests of top players in the underground scene and then put Tre Anastasio on probation under trumped up charges. He was not allowed a plea bargain by executive order so that he was on closely supervised probation. This killed the scene as it was 4 years and that was the intent of the DOJ and the Administration. Families were reunited with "lost hippie kids" after long periods of time.

For the record Linkin Park is the second fastest selling band AFTER the beattles. They have sold 120 million copies of their three albums. Now, when the Beattles were recording, all the kiddies didn't get their Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds for free off of Limewire or Napster etc. They had to go buy the album. Linkin Park sold 120 million albums and probably at least three times that many people have ripped their stuff off the internet for free. This is all fact.

As far as talented musicians go, I understand this is all subjective and plays to personal preference and tastes. I merely wish to point out the historic accomplishments of this MODERN supergroup, Linkin Park.

So I counter with this. I realize you are mostly all older than me and are clinging to the good old days and a couple of you probably even have a Mickey Dolenz pin up pic on your wall, somewhere hidden, right next to your Marilyn Monroe picture of her in a dress above the knees. How taboo!! If all the claims of the Beattles that have been made about being the bedrock for modern music are true, then by default LP must be considered as a legitimate act for being second (and I have already shown this is way closer than the numbers show) to this pioneering supergroup, the Beattles. And aside from the dabbling with the rap music, these guys are legit, TASTEFUL musicians. I love Brad Delson's solo's. They are not the look at me play the guitar, canned, solos' of most bands. They are complimentary of the music. Rob Bourdon is solid too and even uses his ride cymbal with a, dare I say it, touch of jazz on some tunes. His grooves are fresh and relevant to today's music as well. Chester has a voice that is musical, powerful and yet controlled all while he annunciates every single word to where you don't have to guess what the words are. I will allow for Shinoda being poserish, but it still kind of works for the big picture. And, they have found a niche where they are heavy, light, rappish, and even a bit of techno all wrapped up in the most popular band in the last decade. One hit wonders? I think not.:p:p:p

If this comes across as Soap Box it is 530 am and I didn't go to bed yet.........

One more thing, just because someone/something is the beginning of something, that doesn't mean the originals are good. Anyone want to trade their cars in for Model T's? Anyone still watching VCR tapes or playing 8 tracks? Why are we still talking about the Beattles then? hehehe

toodles

drumhack Burger KinBurger Kin

Off the top of my head, Rush and AC/DC probably are not that green with envy of anyone's musical portfolios'. They have put a few songs on tape over the years..........

toodles

drumhack :DEye BallClapping Happy2crying2-07

For the record, I still have a couple of 78's, 45's, LPs, 8-tracks, cassettes, cds, mp3s, VHS AND Beta, as well as DVD and Blue ray that I still listen too and/or watch. For the record, the Model T was a good car, and was the best selling of all time until the VW Beetle came along. I'd gladly trade my computerized can't fix it by the side of the road if I need to whatsits machine for either of those cars. Sometimes SIMPLE IS BETTER.

Also, I am in my early forties and I can tell you this....today's music just plain sucks! The stuff that was being done in years past is so much better than today's cookie cutter pop and rock, or deathmetal dirge with its cookie monster vocals.

The best time for rock was the early-mid 1970's and since then its pretty much been crap. AC/DC after Bon Scott died is the same old crap album after album. Rush hasn't done anything of substance since 2112. And Van Halen hasn't done anything since the 1984 album. The rest of the hair-band genre was crap and so was grunge and most of the 1980's "New-Wave"....punk, now at least that was different and genuine.

Record sales today mean nothing like in the old days. When big chains like Wal-mart buy in such bulk it kind of pads the numbers. Its not the same thing today like it was in the 1960's and 1970's. BTW, when the Beatles (and yes there is only one T in the name!) came out with the Anthology series, they outsold EVERYBODY. When the came out with 1, it outsold everybody. When they came out with Love, they outs......well you get the idea. Lets see Linkin Park do that.

Any musician worth his salt here would NEVER bash the Beatles OR any other band that was a big influence that came before because they GET music and where it came from and now where its going. Drumhack, you are just reinforcing the fact to the rest of us that, like drums, you know nothing about real music, nor do you care to.

I don't know about the rest of you , but I do keep up with whats out there today and music is in a bad way these days.....we need more innovative bands like the Beatles, Cream, Hendrix, Pink Floyd and the like. Today there is no innovation, just cookie monster vocals or electronic pop crap, and even all of that sounds the same because thats what the record companies want. They claim thats what the people want, but is it?

Soap Box

I kid you not! I think this photo may qualify me as a true Rock'N'Roll fossil.

For almost three years in the mid to late sixities we rode around in a 1951 Cadillac Hearse just like this one, with no heat in the back compartment.

Actually Hearses' were quite common for the early swing band and into the Rock n Roll era as they were quite affordable.

Three Minnesota Rock'n'Roll Bands used them: The three were The Morticians....The Castaways "Liar Liar" and us the Epicureans. It was the best of times....it was the worst of times . Remember eight track tapes were still not invented.

Well Ginger Baker has been long lost in this thread..lol but I do not own a Beatles record nor do i own a LP record.. while you guys old enough to remember good music and great musicians were listening to the beatles i was listening to The Yardbirds,canned Heat,deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix,Cream,Humble Pie,Grand Funk Railroad, The Allman Brothers Band, Ten years After, Nazarath, Quick silver Messenger service, Moby Grape, Bad Company,etc etc..and FYI i do not own any gratefull dead stuff either never liked them but i do have over 400 Allman brothers Band shows... i was always about the music and the players sorry guys i just can not find guitarists out there today that are anywhere close to the players in the 60's and 70's in fact you rarely hear a guitar solo anymore I have to wonder if they can play at all anymore, same for drummers...