There is no way he would have used 4 different sized tension rods on one rim. LOL

Some of the tension rods are so short, they don't even touch the lug insert. You need to "cockeye" the rim just to get the rod threaded.

Now, I am definitely a newbie to drumming but I don't see how one could ever get an even tuning like this. I would have to replace all those rods before even trying to use the drum.

I am looking at the [tom] rims and all 4 rims are different.

We have a drum maker in town. I am going to take them to him tomorrow and see if he wants to buy them. Maybe he can fix them.

This seller should definitely be more careful about his wording. Things like "PERFECT" and "10 OUT OF 10" mean something to some people. I am finding grind marks and scratches and rust.

I would be going for a 100% refund including shipping both ways.

And, the way I read the listing, only the wrap was done by George Jaye...

No mention of any other work by him is made.

Whomever rebuilt this drum should be ashamed of themselves.

Check out the pics.

Washers of all different sizes and types. Lock washers on some and not on others. Some square machine nuts and some hex nut.

Check out the pics of the tension rods. These are the rods from the bottom of the floor tom. The rod on the far right is the rod from my GENUINE Cleveland Rogers floor tom.

Only one of his is even close. And, it's still definitely not a vintage Rogers lug as the auction stated that all hardware was original Rogers.

And, check out the pic of where the breather was replaced. I'm no expert but that looks aweful sloppy compared to the picture of the bass drum vent (see the picture with the 2 holes).

I'm not even sure the name badge is genuine. It seems real thin compared to my 60's Cleveland (although I think I remember reading about Rogers making a thinner badge in the 70's). And, the nails they used to attach the name were so long they just bent them over instead of cutting them off.

Overall, not a very good job in my opinion.

The more I see, the more sad I become.

Ok, um......... that is just bad form. Go for the refund.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Just a couple of quick comments here....before you go on trashing the person who re-wrapped this kit (me)...consider whether you are upset about that (my work) ....or about how the seller represented the kit.

First off....the extra (original) holes were left there at the client's request, in case sometime in the future someone chose to re-install period-proper Rogers hardware. Secondly...all of the drums I renovate I tune LOW....so at some point I am figuring some of those t-rods got moved around or came from elsewhere. Because according to your description, there's no way those rods could have been on those heads tuned low if the rods were so short. Third....I don't use lock washers as rod washers. Next...unless specified by the client, I don't necessarily go with period or mfr-specific t-rods on toms or snares. I certainly don't worry about mfr-specific washers. I rarely ever do that, and I inform buyers of that...because I think that's a bit whacked for a re-wrapped kit, made up of orphan shells, IMHO. Lastly.......no, the brads of the badges are not original...BUT...Rogers bent their brads, too. They didn't cut 'em off......

So....yeah, I agree...the kit was damaged in shipping. And I agree....the seller did a poor job of representing the kit.

Basically this was a set of orphan shells re-wrapped in champagne sparkle and outfitted with Rogers hardware, and miscellaneous t-rods. Never was intended to be anything but. Never was it sold to my client as anything but. The kits I do aren't intended to be re-creations or even historically accurate renovations w/ all original parts down to the tee. They are intended to give good ol' drums which are still in solid structural condition a second life. And they are always represented and priced such. I leave the 100% original fittings to those who wanna charge $3000 for their work. That's not my clientele.....

Now, here's a word of advice : I disagree that YOU should file the damage claim with UPS. When I am a seller, if something like that happens I never put the onus to file a claim on the recipient. As a seller it was my responsibility to get the kit to the buyer in the same shape as it left me...it's not the recipient's responsibility to jump through hoops (which UPS has a significant number of, BTW) to file a claim.

Just return the kit and get your $ back. It doesn't sound like that will be all that difficult.

But I just wanna clarify that when one goes casting aspersions on others work on a public forum....one should probably consider whether or not the intent of the work was to create a historically accurate kit.... to the tee...in the first place....

....or just to get a working kit which looks great, sounds good, and functions the way a drum set should. That's all the deal on this set ever was.....

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Nicely said, Jaye.

As far as the eBay thing goes, he clearly says that all hardware is original in the writeup. That on top of the damage is a case closed. A return with a full refund is in order - period.

I state once again. File a claim with paypal against the seller and with UPS. DO NOT take it to someone local to try and dump it. SEND IT BACK AND GET ALL YOUR MONEY BACK. Then DO leave negative feedback, whether you work it out or not, the seller deserves negative feedback for blatently misrepresenting the kit. The seller is typical of what you find on ebay today. Someone selling drums that wants all the money and then ome and has no clue. He probably got less than he paid for the kit, so this is why they didn't bother to pack it well, probably figuring if it gets there damaged, hey thats your problem.

ONCE AGAIN, GET YOUR MONEY BACK FROM EBAY/PAYPAL!

Jaye, just a quick question. His auction stated "This is an actual Rogers wrap bought from Rogers." Is that true? Is there still some original Rogers wrap hanging around?

No way in hell is that an Actual Rogers Wrap.

Jaye, the seller did you no good.

++++ 1 here

I would have a word with the seller ( or two )

Bad mojo there........