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From mcjnic

Luddydude is a passionate man...as we all are...about certain things. What you perceive as icky behavior is actually just him making a point and restating the point again. He believes this entire question is flawed and was trying to derail the progress before someone did something bad to a perfectly good cymbal. This is on the same lines as stopping someone from drilling their sixty year old snare shell because they wanted to put a cooler throw on it. Again, that's all this was. Passion to help. You were asking a question about our experiences and he was saying don't ask 'cause it's a deadend. Some don't believe it to be and that's where we got tangled. He's passionate, I'm too beautiful, Kevins has a jones for Quisp cereal, and you've got that Eydie Gorme record collection thing you try to hide. As odd as we are, we still love our drums and love to share. That's what it's all about here.

Sorry if I come off a little stong on this subject SuperB, but like Michael said above.....

Posted on 14 years ago
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http://www.brass.org/Training/Lecture/sld001.htm

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Metallurgy-2280/2008/4/Brass-3.htm

Brass is a bad-mutha!

I think Elvin gets the last laugh on this one.

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 14 years ago
#82
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One problem with this.....BRASS cymbals are cheap cymbals....BRONZE (which is a different alloy all together than brass) cymbals are what we are talking about here.....I will give you that brass one tough metal though...

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

Sorry if I come off a little stong on this subject SuperB, but like Michael said above.....

You were far from cool, but, the Elvin story shines the best light on the subject. It makes sense, a jazz legend is asked on how he gets his great cymbal sound and the joke/hoax is reported as truth. I understand how that could be passed down as truth. I do not know why you wouldn't start there, but, as long as we get to the "truth", I'm good.

Rogers early Fullerton Blue Strata 22,13,16 w/brass Dynasonic
My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
USA 2007 Rosewood Gretsch 22,13,16 w/12inch 70's Rosewood Gretsch tom
Posted on 14 years ago
#84
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I have a brass Camber II that I love... Cheap, yes! Great sound? YES!!!!

Posted on 14 years ago
#85
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I would have to think that the soil content would have a lot to do with the result, no?

Not all soil is the same.

You have volcanic, you have mineral rich, etc., etc. If 3 acres of land up the road from me next to a town called "Barolo" costs $100K while this amount of land ten miles away from there cost me $5K, I would have to believe that---like when it comes to wine production---soil has everything to do with any beneficial/negative effect on buried cymbals.

An interesting read this thread, although I have no strong view on the matter. I probably wouldn't do it in a place where it gets really cold in winter.

To me it seems a little faddish like the lore of taking reso heads off drums in the 70s to make them "sound better".

Posted on 14 years ago
#86
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Use Ribbon overheads instead of condensers...

Posted on 14 years ago
#87
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From themilford

Use Ribbon overheads instead of condensers...

You have some that I can borrow?

Rogers early Fullerton Blue Strata 22,13,16 w/brass Dynasonic
My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
USA 2007 Rosewood Gretsch 22,13,16 w/12inch 70's Rosewood Gretsch tom
Posted on 14 years ago
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I have the Beyer M160 and M130 I use in a M/S stereo pattern...

Where do you live?

Probably won't let you borrow them... ;)

Any drummer doing their own recording should have at least one ribbon... The M160 is an excellent mono overhead (ala When the Levee Breaks)

Or you can get a set of these:

http://www.cascademicrophones.com/cascade_FAT_HEAD_Blumlein.html

Posted on 14 years ago
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From themilford

I have the Beyer M160 and M130 I use in a M/S stereo pattern...Where do you live?Probably won't let you borrow them... ;)Any drummer doing their own recording should have at least one ribbon... The M160 is an excellent mono overhead (ala When the Levee Breaks)Or you can get a set of these:http://www.cascademicrophones.com/cascade_FAT_HEAD_Blumlein.html

Right on, thanks for the help. I need to sell a drumset to get more mics! This thread has been a drag, I wish I could bury this thread! I just wanted more info on the the myth and it's gone everywhere but there. On a side note, there have been some cool cymbal tips and a possibility of trying out some ribbon mics. So, it hasn't been a total waste of time.

Rogers early Fullerton Blue Strata 22,13,16 w/brass Dynasonic
My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
USA 2007 Rosewood Gretsch 22,13,16 w/12inch 70's Rosewood Gretsch tom
Posted on 14 years ago
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