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eBay listing that infuriates me!

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From vintagemore2000

A few points i'll make here one the modern green sparkle wrap isn't even the correct color green that Bonham/ Ludwig played and supplied by the OEM. 2ndly I don't even reply to these type of sellers, they could careless. The market will dictate the end result.

You are correct about the market dictating the end result. My message to the seller was to only instill some reality as to what he has. First, we need to take into account that he is a guitarist and not a drummer. I applaud the fact that he put so much time and effort into making this kit. Yes, the Atlas cymbal stands can be hard to come by, especially in good+ cosmetic condition. I also note that he has the first-generation Rogers Swivo hi hat stand, with the rubber bumper around the base. Would be nice if he installed easy obtainable rubber crutch tips!

Other than the hardware stands, there is nothing special about this kit. It's put together from mismatched shells, although it is stated that they are all 3-ply. Yes, we all know they are re-wrapped and, as another member noted, the color isn't the same. Another important issue is the wrap material itself is different than that used in the 60's and 70's.

To a die-hard Bonham drummer, who may be looking for a kit for a tribute band, this offering might be worth considering. But, not at the asking price. Let's be honest, even at $3000, it might be a tough sell.

If I was in the market for a Bonham tribute set, I'd rather go with new Ludwig drums, using either Classic Maple or the Legacy shells. Either can be ordered with Blue/Olive badges and arc spurs. Ludwig-style rail consolette tom holders can be purchased from Steve Maxwell. I could track down the Atlas and Rogers hardware and be happy for so much less than the asking price of a pieced-together kit.

Yes, we could not even waste time messaging the seller, as it is probably falling on deaf ears anyway. Still, there is nothing wrong with any drummer familiar with what these drums are, to message the seller with their thoughts, as long as it is done correctly and not an attack, which seems what some of our VDF members have done. A seller can ask whatever they deem appropriate, but there's nothing wrong with informed people letting the buyer know the truth!

-Mark

Posted on 5 years ago
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From idrum4fun

You are correct about the market dictating the end result. My message to the seller was to only instill some reality as to what he has. First, we need to take into account that he is a guitarist and not a drummer. I applaud the fact that he put so much time and effort into making this kit. Yes, the Atlas cymbal stands can be hard to come by, especially in good+ cosmetic condition. I also note that he has the first-generation Rogers Swivo hi hat stand, with the rubber bumper around the base. Would be nice if he installed easy obtainable rubber crutch tips!Other than the hardware stands, there is nothing special about this kit. It's put together from mismatched shells, although it is stated that they are all 3-ply. Yes, we all know they are re-wrapped and, as another member noted, the color isn't the same. Another important issue is the wrap material itself is different than that used in the 60's and 70's. To a die-hard Bonham drummer, who may be looking for a kit for a tribute band, this offering might be worth considering. But, not at the asking price. Let's be honest, even at $3000, it might be a tough sell.If I was in the market for a Bonham tribute set, I'd rather go with new Ludwig drums, using either Classic Maple or the Legacy shells. Either can be ordered with Blue/Olive badges and arc spurs. Ludwig-style rail consolette tom holders can be purchased from Steve Maxwell. I could track down the Atlas and Rogers hardware and be happy for so much less than the asking price of a pieced-together kit. Yes, we could not even waste time messaging the seller, as it is probably falling on deaf ears anyway. Still, there is nothing wrong with any drummer familiar with what these drums are, to message the seller with their thoughts, as long as it is done correctly and not an attack, which seems what some of our VDF members have done. A seller can ask whatever they deem appropriate, but there's nothing wrong with informed people letting the buyer know the truth!-Mark

Mark, by the way that's my Name too, I get it really I do, I use to do this myself. I've been in the game so long, I've gotten to where the issues of this kit and the price just has me in the move on lane. I commend you and the others.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 5 years ago
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From johnnyringo

Did he misrepresent the kit? Why did you bother sending him a message? Sounds like you're trying to pick a fight.Sumo Dude

I'm not trying to pick a fight, just pointing out his folly of asking $15 grand for a recovered, non-original drumset that's nice, but really nothing that special.

Posted on 5 years ago
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If I'm "the other member," I believe what I wrote was sensible and non-confrontational. I believe the seller is fishing for a crazy LZ fan with money to burn. I wished him luck selling it.

BTW, the seller never responded.

Posted on 5 years ago
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I don't understand why anyone is concerned over his price, unless of course, you have an interest in buying it.

That would be the only reason I'd bother contacting the seller or even talking about it. The guys a loon, we all know he'll never get his asking price, so what's all the fuss?

Posted on 5 years ago
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From johnnyringo

I don't understand why anyone is concerned over his price, unless of course, you have an interest in buying it. That would be the only reason I'd bother contacting the seller or even talking about it. The guys a loon, we all know he'll never get his asking price, so what's all the fuss?

I think it's a reaction against the out of control pricing we have been seeing lately and have been talking about. It's no secret that people are asking wildly distorted prices for drums, just because they're old. In this case, he thinks the drums have a certain cache because the set is a duplicate of Bonham's. This stuff happens when sellers have no knowledge of the market.

That's why they should come here and learn before going off half cocked. They'll get the knowledge we all have to impart. x-mas3

Posted on 5 years ago
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From DrumBob

I think it's a reaction against the out of control pricing we have been seeing lately and have been talking about. It's no secret that people are asking wildly distorted prices for drums, just because they're old. In this case, he thinks the drums have a certain cache because the set is a duplicate of Bonham's. This stuff happens when sellers have no knowledge of the market. That's why they should come here and learn before going off half cocked. They'll get the knowledge we all have to impart. x-mas3

I'm onboard with the posts by DrumBob. Yes, the majority of lookers know that the seller is a "loon", but I see nothing wrong sending informative messages to let the seller know about the market. It's true that sellers have every right to ask whatever they want. And, it's true that those looking at the item, whether potential buyers or not, have a right to question the seller...as long as it's done in a correct and civil way!

-Mark

Posted on 5 years ago
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From idrum4fun

I'm onboard with the posts by DrumBob. Yes, the majority of lookers know that the seller is a "loon", but I see nothing wrong sending informative messages to let the seller know about the market. It's true that sellers have every right to ask whatever they want. And, it's true that those looking at the item, whether potential buyers or not, have a right to question the seller...as long as it's done in a correct and civil way!-Mark

Frankly, I think the way the offer was written was purposely done to get buyers excited. I'm willing to bet he will accept far less than $15,000, and if somebody offers six or seven thousand dollars it's theirs. By suggesting that he hopes nobody bids on it at that price, because he really doesn't want to part with it, he's implying that it has a unique value that is almost priceless. In other words the true desirability and value of that set trancends a mere discussion of money. That alone should get the juices rolling in some fanatical Bonham lovers. This guy may not be a "loon", but maybe using a clever ploy to get a higher price than they're actually worth.

Mark
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Posted on 5 years ago
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From BosLover

Frankly, I think the way the offer was written was purposely done to get buyers excited. I'm willing to bet he will accept far less than $15,000. I'll bet if somebody bids five or six thousand dollars it's there's. By suggesting that he hopes nobody bids on it at that price, because she really doesn't want to sell it, he's implying that it has a unique value that is almost priceless, and he doesn't want to part with it. In other words the true desirability and value of that set trancends a mere discussion of money. That alone should get the juices rolling in some fanatical Bonham lovers. This guy may not be a "loon", but maybe using a clever ploy to get a higher price than they're actually worth.

Well said!

-Mark

Posted on 5 years ago
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Ya, he must be clever, he's got all you guys talking about it.Excited

Posted on 5 years ago
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