O.K. this is the one. I put it up for him.

[color=black][font=times new roman][size=+1]20" new stamp K[/size][/font][/color]

I acquired this 20" new stamp off eBay 10 years ago as a 20th Birthday gift to my son Dan, (Milestones on VDF) . It weighs 1952 g. The sound file that Drumaholic uploaded for me (thanks very much for that!!) was from the person who sold it to me. When we got it, it looked absolutely brand new and it had obviously not been cleaned. Made me a bit concerned at the time that it might be a fake. If it is, its s pretty good sounding one. ;)

These pictures are from today. It's not played that much, so you can see that after 10 years, while its has darkened, it still hasn't developed a rich patina.

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48086759241_0ec1b0a68e_b.jpg[/img]20190618_105417_DXO - 06-18-19 by mwsilver, on Flickr

[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48086794823_1abf09b31c_b.jpg[/img]20190618_105534_DXO - 06-18-19 by mwsilver, on Flickr

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Nice sounding one. Sometimes under 2000gs New Stamp 20s are entirely all Highs. (man I hate that) They have such a bow/umbrella. I knew that from hearing many under 2kgs New Stamp 20s ----but I went ahead and bought one (recently) and was a major disappoint- (I sold it)

that one doesn't seem to suffer the "under 2000gs" blues

Little bit I hear the highs

It seems once past 2000gs ( yea. I have a 2009g New Stamp 20) The bow flattens and that "all frost" is gone.

Then again all of Elvins 20s were under 2000gs (remember that auction Gurnsey) so it mustn't be all the light ones.

The bow going up- as the weight goes way down (under 2kgs) seems to be a New Stamp 20" thing.

I can only speculate they were hammered "too long" ending up umbrella instead of 'flat".

Doesn't seem to be the case in the other era 20's. Seem under 2 kgs they stayed Flat.. (?+/

But that New New Stamp 20 I had (1848g?) was all highs. I could not get a low note out of it. I mean not a One..

I know most of the time New Stamps are the least expensive but must say they cover modern ok pop music without a note out of place. 60s 70s music (and beyond)

have to be careful with IVs some Interm-----ediates (well they are 60s sound) Type I,II, and III possibly could sound funny backing a Jimi Hendrix Experience tune but New Stamps... ease into the slot where Avedis As lived and were used

and somehow sound better (or equal) ..with less effort (!

New Stamps---live- sound like the A's did ---on records...

ya with me on that one?

Less effort (less noise) quieter; can play a New Stamp hard without it being disruptive; you play (live) an A that hard and it gets obnoxious. It's New Stamp for the rock classic rock Big Brother and the Holding Company win (@!

Excuse me while I Ki ss the sky New Stamp sound: JDA style

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0f5ZG9LG6k"]Janis Joplin - Piece of My Heart - YouTube[/ame]

in a club it's quieter (with NS Ks)

Or very much sound easy w/ New Stamp

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jlLBs6YawM"]Blind Faith ~ Can't Find My Way Home ~ (Acoustic HD) - YouTube[/ame]

mid late 60s earliest of 70s

This is what New Stamps work perfect- You get that A sound with less effort; there's almost no difference; from old As under the above circumstance's

War, Santana, the 69 Woodstock bands, all right up the New Stamp alley

is how I see them incredible perfect feeling A. Zildjians you could never find even if you tried ..in a's..lol.

I mean they are the perfect (fast ..get it done) substitute. Muted darker A's (that were never made)

https://soundcloud.com/jda56/newstamp20181614ks

Our cymbal is a bit brighter than earlier stamps, and the bell is definitely brighter, but its a really nice cymbal.

If so (It's the profile not the stamp)

You mean within New Stamp era that could be.

Like I said a lightweight in another era doesn't appear seem to have the quirk (of lighter it goes -more bow- less lows)

I'm posting this profile shot to illustrate an umbrella profile, since this subject came up. This one is a 22" new stamp. There will be more on this one later as time permits.

[img]https://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/lizziesstuff/large/P1050636.JPG[/img]

There were umbrella profiled cymbals to be found in the type IIIb period. I had one 22" and there was at least one other I have seen. Same thing for a few 18" I've seen. But in any era it seems that the thinner they get, the more likely (and apparently necessary) it becomes to make it that way. If it was flatter shaped then the wash would overwhelm the stick and render it impractical to play. The deeper profile on thinner one does 2 things. It "tightens" up the cymbal and in doing so attenuates the wash. And the tightness increases the stick definition. But the downside of this design is the deeper profile raises the fundamental up and many of the other tones with it, so that the tonal spectrum as a whole becomes narrower. That makes the cymbal sound "icy". But in cymbals with flatter profiles more range exists between the low's and the highs. But by narrowing that spectrum you can't get much on the low end but the mids and highs become more predominant. Hence that "iciness". Another result is that the cymbal also gets louder in the process, which to my taste is less desirable. With thinner cymbals that combine with a deeper profile, this strategy can actually work, but the tolerance between what constitutes just enough of both thinness profile depth, without too much of one or not enough of the other appears to be extremely narrow, and so consequently the exact combination seems very difficult to obtain. So as a result I've seen it work on only a precious few examples.