Wow A Henry Adler's student I was very fortunate also to study under Henry Adler and Charles Tappan. I also own a special set of Leedy timbales that were given to Henry Adler by Leedy 1946 with white tags on it. and instead of Humberto Morales on them it says Henry Adler. He sold the to me for $75.00 back in 1960's after he saw a set I owned at the time that was all broken to pieces. The tan label models if you have one of the first sets they can be worth good money. They were made i the same as the first original Leedy later after they Join Leedy & Ludwig they cut the inner plate by 1/4 of an inch , causing the timbales to bend at the lugs. Here is a photo of Henry Adlers timbales.

Guys I want to thank you for having trust in me. Wayne , John.

Ok Here are the photos of the two items you will need first a high powered drill a buffing pad just as you see in Photo and Polishing compound. They come in numerous colors all serve a purpose. You are going to get the white One. As the drill spins put the polishing compound on buffing pad. don't be cheap as you put it on pad. Then start to polish the drums. It will turn Black and as you continue you will start to get a shine. These are brand that Lowes carry's, Home depot carry's other brand such a ryobi they also have a kit with 3 buffing pads and 3 sticks of compound RED BLACK and WHITE. Use the white only. Black is to remove scratches Red is for Brass but in the case of the timbales the red is good once you have removed all lacquer just to polish. I tried to put up photos of the compound and its not letting me but look for Porter Cable Or Ryobi polishing compound. remember at home depot they sell a kit with buffing pads and 3 sticks off compound.

Yes John I know that they belonged to Alex Acuna and Yes he toured with these drums. jajaja But as I told Vinny, Alex is a very good drummer but in my world he is not the musician in my johndra. He is good with rock and fusion. when it come to the nitty gritty he does not cut it. Vinny got over, If I would have known the condition that these drum were in I would not give him even a $100.00. And to explain why, these drum someone sprayed lacquer over them, making it very hard to clean and remove lacquer. The Lugs; 9 lugs broken, stand not original from Rogers and all bent. The claws & lugs full with lacquer , I mean a total mess he got over on me this time. It took me more time to remove each coat of lacquer they sprayed than any thing. They are know part of a collection jajaja of quality drums.

Cuco - Vinny is a good friend of mine who I have done many deals with over the years. He's a decent, honest business man and a terrific person. I seriously doubt that Vinny tried to "get over on you" simply because he doesn't do business that way. I don't know what went on behind the scenes with your transaction, but obviously 'something' did. Trust me, I have no reason in the world to lie to you, you have misread Vinny, or misunderstood him somehow. Crossed wires. But in terms of Vinny being a get-over artist, you couldn't be more wrong about him. You're talking about one of the nicest and straight-shooting business guys I've ever dealt with. After years of dealing with Vinny I can tell you with confidence you've made a mistake/misread about him.

Nuff said. I love the drums and the spectacular job you did on them.

John

here is the first step - pre buffing. I did it the hard way, but I will not do the second one this way - all elbow grease. I misunderstood the directions.

I don't understand the reason Cuquito might have to vent this here. I sent pics of the timbales in advance and he agreed on the price. Now he says he "wouldnt have paid more than $100.00 for them". Like you can find a pair of gold plated Humberto Morales timbales previously owned and played on stage on the 1975 European tour by Alex acuna for that price. Jaco Pastorious himself interchanged licks to the patterns those drums provided...Yeah, right...Nothing too important...At the end of the day who cares? They were only Alex Acuna and Jaco pastorious.

Vinny Its response to a question that was posted by Purdie Shuffle regarding this transaction my comment was posted and nothing to get offended by. Photo were never sent to me I got a secondary photo from the other Vinnie not from you. I agreed On price not knowing the full condition as you well know the stand was bent not an original stand at that , Lugs were all damaged , and lacquer was sprayed all over the drums , How did that ?? And to make you aware all Roger timbales are made of brass not gold plated. Some were Chromed and some were polished Brass. I have had numerous of these timbales I sold my set and to replace mine was that I brought these and you saw the condition mine were in.

Now To get to Alex Acuna , to you he may be the ultimate timbales player. To me he means nothing I daid this before to you. I have been with and around timbales player throughout my entire life, My career with guys like Ubardo Nieto, Tito Puente, Manny Oquendo, Frank Hernandez, Willie Bobo, Natividad Marrero, Mike Collazo, Julito Collazo, Orestes Vilato, Jose Madera and I can go on and on listing quality timbales players. Now these guys are impressive and great drummer.

Jaco Pastorious great bass player lousy timbales player and no historic figure ether as you you claim.

There is a concept that playing trap drums and timbales is the same thing, very badly mistaken.

Get out of your mind that Alex Acuna is legendary timbales player or that he is a historic figure.

Yeah at the end of the day nobody cares due to the fact I know and you know you got over on me this time. Price was agree on a instrument that looked in rough condition and not with extensive damage as these drums were.

But all good I am a professional at what I do and been around the block numerous time not like dome that tell me I been around the block and only been to the corner.

John

Vinny is a nice person but when you are selling an item the people that own it like Alex Acuna you can not go by that. In every sale that is made condition is the factor and if you see the photo I received it only showed 2 missing lugs and a closed stand base that was it. I knew the base was not original but that was nothing. When I received and started to dismantle that when I started to see lugs glued to shells from lacquer being sprayed over the drums. This was done by someone I do not say it was Vinnie but some one to prevent rust. I say it was not Vinnie because he did not even know of this, he even thought that the lugs on Rogers were yellow, and this was the lacquer that had been sprayed. The lugs were all damaged and the lacquer was what was holding them to the drums. But all good and forgotten I know my work and the drums are back to what they should have been in first place.

LOOKS GOOD ! Just go over it with buffing pad and drill more dirt will come off.

Cuquito: I take offense on your words. I have a 100% good feedback both on E-bay and at this forum to prove my honesty. If you think the price was so bad you would have returned the goods wouldn't you? A set like that even when you dont care who use to own it it is worth what you paid for. You're acting very unfairly spreading misinformation about me on this forum so I beg you stop this. I don't want this informative post to be locked locked down like others Ive seen were members start treating each other very poorly. And talking about misinformation I quote you: "Jaco Pastorious great drummer lousy timbales player."...Well: that speaks very loud. You obviously don't know the historical value these drums had. And I say "had" because that value its been ruined now. But that's your prerogative.