I stand by my statement... whether anyone else does or not is their business, not mine.... Peace

Lets go with the topic of educating the kid, like someone else stated before.....don't you think that the grandfather that gave him the cymbals would have told him this? The kid is just that...a kid. To him they are just old cymbals. They are not new and shiney and what his current death metal drumming hero plays, so why would he care what they are worth and why would he want to keep them? So if all he thinks they are worth is $100 then let him get his $100! Buy them from him and you have the deal of the century....if they are what they are supposedly are.....AND IF THE SOUND GOOD. If they sound worse than those new shiney clangers he's got his eyes on then no wonder he only wants a hundred bucks! In which case who's getting the deal here?

Its all subjective......

NOW, can we please hear the out come of the ACTUAL situation so we can all put our karma and dogma away????

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+1 on that, karma's a beeyotch!! LOL

I'd tell him to keep them and then help find him a pair of newer hi-hats for a good deal. Its pointless to do anything else. And if you really wanted to be nice you would tell him they are worth $300 and see if he still wanted to sell them for $100.

Wouldn't that be my good karma to get an awesome pair of cymbals for cheap???

My good friend had a 68 ludwig 5 piece skyblue pearl kit. he use to claim they were ringos ol drums. Some years ago he died. I told his son if her ever wanted to sell those luddys i want to buy them. Ok a few months later he called and wanted to sell them. He was asking $600. I gave him $600. I had no idea what they were worth, and didnt even check, I just wanted them. In fact I didnt know much about them untill I joined this forum. Hes in his mid 20's and I would think he checked to see what they were worth. I never even gave it another thought. I would think that the 14 yr old kid with the hi hat cymblas had internet access. Kids are smart these days about internet. If he was shopping for cymbals, he should have access to find out what the old zilds are worth. On thbe other hand, I my grand pa gave me some cymblas i would treasure them always. I think I might have advised the kid to keep them for a momento of his grampa. But, kids are kids, they get thier mind set on something and wont lusually listen to wisdom. A 14 yr old knows everything.

Didnt y'all know that?

Didn't I kinda say this already? :rolleyes:

I guess you sorta did. When I was a kid I read spiderman religiously. I wish I had all those spidy comic books, but oh well. Kids are kids.

Right on Poppy!

[COLOR="DarkRed"]OK, so basically I am scoring this about a 5-2 with one or two in the neutral category (Kelly you answered well the first time, then flip-flopped ;))....which actually, once again reinforces my belief that there are a lotta good blokes here, and this is a good forum to hang out on.

Based on the discussion, a couple of points I wish to make, IMHO:

1) a person isn't a fool because they don't happen to know the value of what they have...particularly in an instance where they have little or no experience with the object at hand. Therefore, their particular ignorance does not necessarily make them 'deserving' of being taken.

2) O-lugs.....yes you got a great deal, but IMHO, again....it wasn't a terrible offer...you didn't take manipulative advantage of that situation (which I was glad to read). Doing that would have been offering along the lines of a few hundred dollars. That would have been a bit...scummy. So, I respect you for finding the balance.

3) Poppy...it's a different matter if you, as the BUYER, are also unaware of the true value of the item at time of purchase, as well. I don't consider that in the same category as knowingly payiing a ridiculously low sum for something you know to be of great value.

4) It is most definitely NOT good Karma to basically take advantage of someone...particularly someone youthful.

5) Did anyone who professed the "take the cymbals and run" vein of thought consider that this kid is a drummer ? Assume he will remain a drummer and that, in time, he may likely learn on his own what those cymbals were worth ? In which case, rather than having the memory of this really cool dude who educated him a bit on vintage stuff and was moral enough not to ream him...he will remember you as that jack#ss who took total advantage of him. Now, maybe some folks get pride out of taking a teenager, I dunno....

It's not the sort of legacy I particularly like to leave my fellow musicians.

Just some food for thought...

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OK ! So...here's what my friend did (he is 27, btw). He saw those 'hats, and played 'em...and then he looked at the kid and said:

"Dude, I want them but I can't take them for this price; gotta tell you these aren't $100 cymbals. They are very rare old K's and they are worth about $400."

Then he went on and gave a brief explanation of the history & value of K's.

By this time, his mom was in the room, too.

Then he continued " I'd love to have these, they are what I've been looking for for years...but I can't afford $400 and I won't steal them for $100. I can give you $200 and throw in a nice pair of Amedia hi-hats which I don't use often, and are heavier and more your style...or, I teach drums so maybe we can work something out there as well".

The kid jumped at the $200 cash alone, but the mom interjected and said they would talk it over that evening.

Next day, the kid calls my friend back.

[COLOR="Red"]$200 cash and 4 free lessons was the final deal.[/COLOR]

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Now, in my mind, THAT is the sort of transaction that makes everyone happy. Figure :

1) 4 lessons at about $40/lesson is about $160 worth of lessons...plus the $200 cash = $360...so that is in the zone of the correct value.

2) From my friend's perspective...really.....he just got a pair of vintage K's for $200 cash and what ? ...3 hours worth of his time. That's a dream deal.

3) In the Karma Dept.; my friend was honest and didn't take advantage of a kid; he now owns those 'hats with no sense of guilt or manipulation...and now the kid AND his family really appreciates how they were respected and the kid now has a cool relationship with this awesome older drummer who was honest with him.

[COLOR="Purple"]I applauded my buddy for his amazingly astute thinking-on-the-fly, as well as his straightforwardness.

Maybe the family could have pulled in more for the cymbals, but the experience impressed upon them that they were going to a good person who, given the opportunity to steal candy from their 'baby', did not yield to such.

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