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6.5"x14" 3-ply Mahogany Super-Sensitive

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Hi All,

This is something I have wanted to do for years and never seemed to get around to it. I'm putting together a 6.5"x14" super sensitive using a (converted) vintage 3-ply mahogany shell with maple re-rings.

I have to give thanks and a big shout-out to my drum-brother, Bill (billNvick) who made the shell for me by cutting down a vintage parade drum! He did a great job and I have an excellent quality shell to work with. Thanks, Bill! Great job!

I have an exotic wood veneer that I am going to glue onto the outside of the shell. (see photos) Don't ask me what kind of wood the veneer is... I bought it on ebay so many years ago, that I forgot what its called. It's a beautiful and exotic piece of wood, that's all I know.

Please be patient as I'm doing the project in 'real-time' and some steps take longer to complete than others. But if you hang in there until the end, I promise to produce a beautiful, one-of-a-kind snare drum.

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John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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Well John you started out on the right foot with Bill. Now for that wood species, who cares its cool. How are you planning on finishing it? Want to send it to me, I would stain and lac it for you. Got any scraps of the veneer? You could send me a peice to make a sample for you.

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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Hey Jeff - Thanks for the very generous offer, but doing the finish is half the fun, bro! I'm looking forward to it.

I'm planning to use Tung Oil, (to bring out the natural figure of the wood,) because a stain would only add a tint. I only want to see the natural golden glow and grain of the wood itself. I'll use 00-00 steel wool to apply it, and in-between coats as well. I figure 5/6 passes with the oil will seal it and it will leave a good, hard, protective finish. I'm thinking maybe two top-coats of a very high-gloss SPAR Urethane and you'll need an ice-pick to scratch the finish!

Damn, I wish I could recall what the veneer is called. It's looks like a streaky birds eye maple. Half Bubinga, half birds-eye... who knows? It's just so cool I can't wait to see it finished. I'll post more photos along the way. I hope that adding another ply will not alter the sound of the shell in a bad way. (Make it muddy sounding.)

Very cool offer, Jeff. It's the thought that really counts! Much appreciated.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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I think that is going to be a cool drum!

It is hard to tell in the pictures for sure, but it looks like a material that was around a few years (maybe 10 now?) ago that is essentially a "manufactured" bird's eye maple.

It is an interesting and complex process, but they 'insert' the figure (looks like bird's eye) into a block by rolling veneer and drilling angled holes in a block of material. Once it is all set up, they shave off veneer in the normal manner, and it looks sort of like your pictures. I could be totally wrong too, but that's what it appears to be to me. I think Joe Montineri had some in his shop which was the first time I saw it 'raw'. I don't know if he ever used it or not (or maybe I saw it somewhere else too??)

That stuff you have is very interesting if it is what I think it is, because if you stain it, it takes the stain at extreme variances due to the mix of grain direction- even more so than flame or bird's eye maple (which can be very tricky). On the other hand, because of this, make sure you TEST on some scrap if you intend to stain it directly, because it could end up A LOT darker than you intend it to be. It is safer to stain the clear:

When ever I wanted to "stain" figured wood, I always lay down a coat of clear, and then a coat of tinted clear, so the color is uniform. I have also done stain the wood, clear, tint the clear for sick depth, but that is VERY tricky to get right (and a huge mess to clean up if you don't!)...

This is how I did it 99% of the time:

1) sanding sealer. Always.

2) sand smooth (make sure all wood is covered) maybe 320 grit dry. If you blow through, add a couple coats and re-sand flat (always with a block!) de-dust after sanding.

3) clear (a single wet double coat should be fine if the sealer was done well, and sanded smooth)

4) tinted clear (to 'taste'- sunburst finishes are easy this way too, because if you screw up, you just sand off the color- nothing is soaked into the wood)

5) final clear- probably three wet double costs will be plenty, if your base is flat.

6) block sand to 1000 grit in steps from 400-600-800-1000 wet with a single drop of dish soap

7) buff

8) wait... until you no longer smell the solvents from your finish

9) wax once it stops 'stinking'

10) assemble. I suggest wearing white cotton inspection gloves to prevent scratching the fresh finish. Try not to rush assembly until it stops stinking.

Tip: always apply as little finish as you can get away with.

When I did drums (for a local custom drum guy) I made a rack. It had a ~7" OD at the top and about 16" at the bottom- made from four pieces of 3/4" ply attached to a cheap 'lazy Susan'. I would tape off the ID, fresh tape the four 'legs', pop the drum on the rack and spin it by hand for a very even application of paint. He cut the bearing edges and snare beds before I did the finish, but drilled the holes after. Drilling before seems to make sense but the water from wet sanding can get to the end grain that way. You have to open up the holes after finish anyway, so you might as well wait... Sometimes the holes can be sealed with candle wax after painting but before wet sanding if you have no choice, such as a re-finish. When drilling through finish, you have to step up to diameter in small steps or you can shatter the finish. The other finish I used (acrylic eurethane) was more forgiving but would also chip if pushed too hard.

The gun I used back then was a very cheap 'detail' or 'door jam' spray gun you can get for about $20.00 at Harbor freight type places. I had about four of them- clear ALWAYS gets a dedicated gun. I used nitrocellulose lacquer for the drums (and vintage style guitars) and made my own tints from the Behlen line- mix a drop or two of color to a pint of clear... add reds and browns together to get the right dark brown for the edges of 58 replicas... And so it goes...

You can PM or e-mail me for more detail on anything if you want, but that's the basic program I used.Mind Blowi

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Posted on 11 years ago
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It's does have the birds eye look to it. Look forward to watching this one John. So what lugs and hardware are you using? Chrome, nickle? Bill does some very nice shell work too! Have fun buddy.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 11 years ago
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All chrome, Glenn. 10 Bowtie lugs, the 70's super-sensitive strainers, and triple flange hoops. The shell came from a Ludwig or WFL parade drum and Bill is sending me the keystone badge that the drum originally sported. It's going to look cool when its done.

J!m - Thanks for the detailed advice and for taking the time to compose that long post. If you go back and re-read my response to Jeff, I said I -wasn't- going to use 'stain' at all. I do appreciate the tutorial on applying stain however. Sometimes it's like the old axiom says... "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions!" lol It's the thought that counts and I do appreciate the effort you put into it.

Going off to prep a shell and some veneer, wish me luck! :p

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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john

this is gonna be a fine project. has to be exciting working on this one. did you ever decide on how many lugs you are gonna use?

speaking of finish, i'm working on a 48-52 wfl 12x17 right now. maple exterior. i also used 5 or 6 coats of tung oil. also did the brillo before,during and after. i have not clear coated mine though. soon as the hoops arrive, i'll be finished with it.

goos luck on your project. i love that veneer!

mike

Posted on 11 years ago
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> i'm working on a 48-52 wfl 12x17 right now.

Photos when its done or it don't exist! lol

Thanks for kind words, yeah, the veneer is killer. Can't wait to see it after 5 or 6 coats of Tung Oil. I'm going with 10 lugs, Mike. It is/will be, a super sensitive, it'll be easy to tune.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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This looks like a fun one John. Looking forward to the finished product.:cool:

"Failing to prepare, is preparing to fail". John Wooden

Blaemire / Jenkins-Martin drums.

http://www.jenkinsmartindrums.com/
Posted on 11 years ago
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The tung oil will be beautiful. Your making a good choice to not use stain, I like natural wood myself. I do alot of natural finishes using only lacquer. And I agree, finishing is half the fun, thats why I wanted to do it for you. I have not had any drum shells to finish for a while and I miss it. The wrap that you buy is really nice and looks great but its too easy. Have fun with it.

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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