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Spitfire (Louie Bellson)

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From tnsquint

Very nice indeed. Apparently the Spitfire is a 12 lug snare by design. I did not know that. (spoken like Johnny Carson to add a touch of humor)

The spitfire has a short but interesting history going back to the year 1979, when Louie Bellson was promoting the Louie-Bellson-Explosion-kit. (see pic 2.) If I remember right, some say that Bellson became endorser for "Slingerland" after Buddy Rich got fired in 1977 from Slingerland.

And the "Spitfire" sometimes is referred to as the unofficial signature snare of Louie Bellson. That's why the title of this thread has the headline, Spitfire (Louie Bellson).

Thanks for watching!

Fred

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Beautiful and thanks for the insight on the "Spitfire" story.

I'm curious what type of extended wires you are using exactly?

I'm in Europe and would need to find out where I could order them.

I did a conversion last year from a Slingerland 12"X14" TDR Lite marching snare to a 6,5" Spitfire and still need to try them out.

Here's the story: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=25360&highlight=spitfire

Posted on 12 years ago
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From stedi

Beautiful and thanks for the insight on the "Spitfire" story.I'm curious what type of extended wires you are using exactly?I'm in Europe and would need to find out where I could order them.I did a conversion last year from a Slingerland 12"X14" TDR Lite marching snare to a 6,5" Spitfire and still need to try them out.Here's the story: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=25360&highlight=spitfire

There are 3 options:

1. Original Slingerland extended wires when you buy vintage Slingerland snares that have the original snare wires included in the deal. (Often nice sound!)

2. Puresound extended Radio King snare wires. Nice sound (listen here, how my Radio King snare from 1958 sounds like. It has extended Puresound snarewires.)

(expensive snarewires though!)

3. Pearl extended snare wires. Very nice (click here.) and crisp in the sound, USD 12. Cheap.)Mind Blowi

4. My 12-lug 6.5" by 14" Two-to-One Slingerland 5-ply maple snare. (12 lugs on top, 6 lugs on bottom, including Louie Bellson behind Explosion kit.) This baby I bought as "New old Stock", factory fresh...!

Pics:

1. Slingerland (original extended snare wires.)

2. Puresound (vintage Radio King extended snare wires.)

3. Pearl, extended snare wires.

4. Louie Bellson picture from my 1979 Slingerland catalogue. (my "Two-to-One", 6.5" by 14" 5-ply maple snare with extended snare wires.) Factory fresh...! (a chrome over wood snappy snare.)

5. My TDR-marching snare with original Slingy extended snare wires.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

Fred

Posted on 12 years ago
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What a beauty!

I have seen chrome-plated and brass-lacquered Slingerland Magnums before, but never a copper one! This color gives the drum such an artsy feel. Very impressive.

flowers2

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Muchkin

What a beauty!I have seen chrome-plated and brass-lacquered Slingerland Magnums before, but never a copper one! This color gives the drum such an artsy feel. Very impressive.flowers2

Thanks! The "Magnums" had other lugs and strainers thoughCool Dudeand they were much deeper in size!

Wish I had one...!Mister T (I have a "Rogers" Dynasonic snare 5" by 14", brass, if someone has a "Magnum" and wants to trade?) Here is a video of my "Dyna" brass snare. (mint.)

Cheers,

Fred

Posted on 11 years ago
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Here are some pic's of one of Louie's actual Spitfires. I briefly worked as a roadie for him one summer back in the mid-eighties when he came through Florida, driving him and his kit between Sarasota, Ft. Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach. His gig in Sarasota was with his wife Pearl Bailey at Van Wetzel Hall. Louie often recruited young drummers in each state to assist him when he came through.

Louie was no longer with Slingerland having moved to endorsing Pearl. The kit he used in Florida was a Remo Pre-tuned Series (PTS). I would actually un-clip the heads and put the drums one inside the other, and they all fit into two bass drum cases. Ridiculously inexpensive kit but he of course made it both sing and roar.

An ironic anecdote about Pearl was that she hated flying, and hated having her picture taken. Since she didn't fly she took Amtrak as much as she could, and shortly after the Sarasota performance she found herself in a train wreck, assisting victims, and with camera's flashing. Wonderful woman. She was so thoughtful that she sent my younger sister an autographed copy of her cookbook.

Both absolutely incredible people and I was very fortunate to have met and worked with them. I still have a copy of the check they gave me. I wish I had the original but back then I really needed the money. However, I got to keep his Slingerland Spitfire!

It's all original with the exception of one of the snare straps. I played my way through college using that snare, and played a lot of ethnic festivals where there were belly dancers and the like, so I was frequently switching the snares off to play all toms, eventually wearing the strap through.

There's more! So a few years ago I got a new job and I'm moving into a new apartment in Tampa. I'm carrying my drums inside, a 70's era Rodgers kit (matched perfectly with the Spitfire), and one of the bass drums was without a case. A man walked by, saw it, and asked about it. It was John Blackwell! I lived below John for a year, though obviously he was rarely home. After talking about experiences with Louie and Buddy, he invited me to go to NYC with him as he was performing in the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert. I couldn't go. New job, no time, BIG MISTAKE! John is a fantastic, humble, down-to-earth guy, along with being a fantastic drummer.

First Louie, then Buddy, then John. I love drums, and all those brushes with greatness, yet and I'm just a corporate slug! Argh! Just enough talent to play my way through college and, more recently, occasionally scare the hell out of our cats!

Chris

Posted on 11 years ago
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From csjohnson65

Here are some pic's of one of Louie's actual Spitfires. I briefly worked as a roadie for him one summer back in the mid-eighties when he came through Florida, driving him and his kit between Sarasota, Ft. Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach. His gig in Sarasota was with his wife Pearl Bailey at Van Wetzel Hall. Louie often recruited young drummers in each state to assist him when he came through.Louie was no longer with Slingerland having moved to endorsing Pearl. The kit he used in Florida was a Remo Pre-tuned Series (PTS). I would actually un-clip the heads and put the drums one inside the other, and they all fit into two bass drum cases. Ridiculously inexpensive kit but he of course made it both sing and roar.An ironic anecdote about Pearl was that she hated flying, and hated having her picture taken. Since she didn't fly she took Amtrak as much as she could, and shortly after the Sarasota performance she found herself in a train wreck, assisting victims, and with camera's flashing. Wonderful woman. She was so thoughtful that she sent my younger sister an autographed copy of her cookbook.Both absolutely incredible people and I was very fortunate to have met and worked with them. I still have a copy of the check they gave me. I wish I had the original but back then I really needed the money. However, I got to keep his Slingerland Spitfire!It's all original with the exception of one of the snare straps. I played my way through college using that snare, and played a lot of ethnic festivals where there were belly dancers and the like, so I was frequently switching the snares off to play all toms, eventually wearing the strap through.There's more! So a few years ago I got a new job and I'm moving into a new apartment in Tampa. I'm carrying my drums inside, a 70's era Rodgers kit (matched perfectly with the Spitfire), and one of the bass drums was without a case. A man walked by, saw it, and asked about it. It was John Blackwell! I lived below John for a year, though obviously he was rarely home. After talking about experiences with Louie and Buddy, he invited me to go to NYC with him as he was performing in the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert. I couldn't go. New job, no time, BIG MISTAKE! John is a fantastic, humble, down-to-earth guy, along with being a fantastic drummer.First Louie, then Buddy, then John. I love drums, and all those brushes with greatness, yet and I'm just a corporate slug! Argh! Just enough talent to play my way through college and, more recently, occasionally scare the hell out of our cats!Chris

Fantastic story about Louie Bellson, Chris...!

Thanks for posting!

Fred

Posted on 11 years ago
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A Louie Bellson Spitfire just popped up on eBay at .99$ starting price and reserve has been met... beautiful burl and has the rare gold plating. I don't need another snare, but wanted the collectors to know. It has about a day and a half left.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Posted on 10 years ago
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From 65Hollywood

A Louie Bellson Spitfire just popped up on eBay at .99$ starting price and reserve has been met... beautiful burl and has the rare gold plating. I don't need another snare, but wanted the collectors to know. It has about a day and a half left.

Hi there, and thanks for showing the link to this "Spitfire" on ebay. If I had more money I would buy it to add one more spitfire to my collection : )... I have always wanted a spitfire with original Slingerland 12-lug gold-plated sticksavers. I have four spitfires now and I use them often because they sound so damn good. Cooked Egg

I have one more though. A NOS and it is not complete, but it's a original Slingerland brass shell with factory drilled holes for 12 Sound King lugs. My idea is to one day send this shell to a company for gold-plating. This will result in getting a brand new "New Old Stock" Slingerland "Spitfire" snare, size 5" by 14" with gold-plated brass shell. Just another crazy drum dream that I have... : ) Jump For Joy

Fred

Posted on 10 years ago
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