I have thought that myself, but is using the term FEPOS going to win enough friends to make it happen? Eye Ball Eye Ball

The FEPOS term. I don't think he meant any offense by it. I just think he is misled and has not yet discovered any of the good ones, and, at least, has not discovered how great they can sound when restored, reconditioned, and tuned right. Therefore, I think he is more of a victim than an offender.

As far as a separation between these two geographical locations, if am convinced that if the webmaster and his more influential members deemed enough traffic for each, they would have done it a long time ago. Besides, this helps keep the European enthusiasts versed and doctrinated in the MIJ world, and vice-verse.

I cherish opportunities for the MIJ neglectors (if I may use such a non-existent word) to learn about the MIJ world. Perhaps an interesting discussion would be MIJ vs. MIT and MIC. I have not seen much MIAustralia, but what I do see on here makes we wonder if they ever put ANY "POS" out. Perhaps they are like the Germans.

Just to be sure, consider the Rogers R-380. The more I learn about the early era of these (68-69) the more I appreciate the Japanese. This is not the only reason I dig the MIJs, but a great case in point. It is made of birch/mahogany ("luan"), has re-rings and gray painted interiors ---- very much influenced by the American drums of that day - as the engineering was by Rogers designers. Not to mention, these were made by Yamaha, which, in my opinion, practically do not know how to make anything resembling a "POS" in any way shape or form. Consider that this is coming from someone who hates traditional Pearl lugs. Ok, not sure how much that has to do with it, but thought I would just throw that in. As is the case even in American drums, the older MIJ it is, it seems the better quality that it is, especially the dried out "Philippine Mahogany" known to improve with age.

John

FEPOS ??

Can anyone here kindly clear up an unknowing person, please?

(I assume that 'FE' stands for 'Far East/ern' but 'POS' ... mmmmh)

Thanks in advance.

Ralf

Correctomundo, Ralf

Never misled, not misinformed, I'll take the build quality of Premier, Carlton, Ajax over any of that FEPOS

Well go out and buy as many of those 'quality' brands as you can possibly afford! Leaves more MIJ for me to go after!

Build quality and reputation might mean something if you are a trader or investor, but for those of us who just love drums (usually ALL drums, by the way) and love making music, Japanese drums offer a great way to collect, play and enjoy something without overspending (yes, you have overspent Capt Weird). Your assumption that all MIJ is poor quality and equal to excrement is simply false and shows a lack of knowledge only.

Anyway, maybe you should email the webmaster instead of airing your opinion on the forum. I mean, you're entited to your opinion of course. You'll notice I'm not trying to change your opinion at all. I respect it. But why spike out an inflamatory post that serves no purpose?

Anyway, my two cents only.... rock on!

I brought this forward to the brass about a year ago. It was treated as an interesting proposal and a good idea.----but nothing was done-- strikes me as being completely obvious.

There is an unfortunate vein in this forum to focus on only the known. ----as if ; I don't know about or if I didn't discover it when I was a Wanker, then it isn't all that interesting.---- well ; most Americans , clearly know the American drums and then by about 1966, the flood of Japanese imports recruited by the American spin doctors to supply America with cheap consumer goods arrived and then , they became American drums too. They're not really MIJ drums, they're crappy American drums---CAD drums. To have them stewed up in the same pot with Autocrat, Premier, Ajax,Carlton,Beverley Trixon, Sonor,Rimmel, Tacton, Tromsa, Deri, Lefima, Trowa, Amati(my apologies to those I missed ) and a host of other legitimate musical instrument makers, is pretty much an insult to the makers of those instruments. They need their own category, where they can be treated with the respect they are due. I for one am burgeoning with stuff ( and pictures to contribute).-----just found 1/2 a Rose Morris kit at the curb, today----from what I gather the poor boy is pounding away on some Pearl cans, now.---never underestimate an idiot.

I think a discussion about A drums vs. B drums - which one is better - it fruitless. I will concede that there is some good quality in European drums, and that there is some junk that has come from Asia. Mine was the most long winded comment on here thus far, and let me clarify. Notice that I was not saying anything at all about European made drums. I was just defending against the implied opinion (now the implication has been confirmed) he had about FE drums.

Ok, I guess that's all I have to say. To summarize - junk can be found most anywhere, but I do not think there is anywhere that you can conclude produced all junk and no quality. Of course, someone might respond with some exceptions to this citing a great example, but I just was, for the most part, just defending Asian drums.....not all "POS".

......maybe I am NOT done.....

A footnote to offer here: My first quality kit was a Premier and I thought it was of great quality. My most recent NEW purchase is an Asian made ddrum (designed in USA) that I also think is of great quality all around.

John

The whole point of the thread is; separate the two groups of drums; who really cares , whether Fepos are what they are and European drums are great, it's pretty much a no-brainer. It's like separating a plastic ruler bought at the dollar store from a hickory one with cork backing made by a hundred year old company. Let the Fepos suckers run with the plastic football and we'll run with a leather, handstitched one. Thank You.