Exactly, there is nothing wrong about doing this. It is naturally occurring and there is NOTHING artificial about doing this. The difference is it will be better than a natural one too.
Gotta experiment if you want to know how it all works. If you learned something even whilst ruining a cymbal, all is not lost, as you know what NOT to do the next time.
Gotta experiment if you want to know how it all works. If you learned something even whilst ruining a cymbal, all is not lost, as you know what NOT to do the next time.
Exactly! Thank you! I have like 5 Sabian B8's to test. I really think it will be worth it. Maybe I can stumble upon what works and pass it on to people that want to know about it and try it out.
I think you are misunderstanding me. I agree we should do it fast. I disagree with the ruining of vintage cymbals. I however don't care if i should ruin cymbals in testing. There just metal. New ones even 10-20 year old ones i think can be used for testing. There is a combination that can be used, heck even a piece of b20 to test on is okay. See how the metal reacts and go from there.
The back and forth on this is starting to get out of hand. If you have no problem potenially ruining a cymbal to replace patina that probably shouldn't have been removed in the first place, be my guest. I personally think the idea of applying a corrosive to a cymbal is ridiculous. I would never purchase a cymbal from anyone at any price that was treated with a corrosive. You seem to think its no big deal, but it is if the sound of a good vintage cymbal is more important than how it looks. First you go on about shining cymbals to remove patina, and then you want to replace the patina using chemicals. I, and most collectors of vintage cymbals would do neither.
The back and forth on this is starting to get out of hand. If you have no problem potenially ruining a cymbal to replace patina that probably shouldn't have been removed in the first place, be my guest. I personally think the idea of applying a corrosive to a cymbal is ridiculous. I would never purchase a cymbal from anyone at any price that was treated with a corrosive. You seem to think its no big deal, but it is if the sound of a good vintage cymbal is more important than how it looks. First you go on about shining cymbals to remove patina, and then you want to replace the patina using chemicals. I, and most collectors of vintage cymbals would do neither.
I AM CLEANING my cymbals. I prefer the look and the sound of a new cymbal. There more open and sound better to me. Now its all corrosion though I don't see what your getting at with saying its bad. The end product is the same its just a different route to get there. There is absolutely no difference at the end. It will have the patina back on and not only that the precious patina will be one of a much better quality.
Me myself I am cleaning them and keeping them clean. I am just wanting to experiment to prove my point of it doesn't matter. How are you to ever know the difference sir? When you buy a vintage cymbal how will you know if its over 50 years or "artificial" as you so call it?
There is absolutely no reason I can be on both sides. I personally don't like the patina. I prefer a new sound. To me the patina doesn't even look good. In a vintage cymbal i would prefer one that is all cleaned up over a dirty one anyways. There are some antiques that need to show there age and some that look amazing when they do. To me a cymbal just isn't one of them.
I AM CLEANING my cymbals. I prefer the look and the sound of a new cymbal. There more open and sound better to me. Now its all corrosion though I don't see what your getting at with saying its bad. The end product is the same its just a different route to get there. There is absolutely no difference at the end. It will have the patina back on and not only that the precious patina will be one of a much better quality. Me myself I am cleaning them and keeping them clean. I am just wanting to experiment to prove my point of it doesn't matter. How are you to ever know the difference sir? When you buy a vintage cymbal how will you know if its over 50 years or "artificial" as you so call it?
Regardless of what you think you know, the end product is NOT the same. Misunderstanding and misusing corrosive chemicals can pit, discolor and severely damage your cymbals appearance, and will negatively impact the sound quality and potentially detroy its resale value. This is an absurd conversation. No one should ever use corrosive chemicals on professional cymbals for any reason. You can experiment all you want
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It's gonna take a few posts to find the "recipe".
Also, Matt Bettis ages his cymbals with commercially available preparations. I wish I would have found that post.
I think it's like the fifth post down on this page: http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/topic/47731-help-making-a-newer-cymbal-look-older-pre-aging/
