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Help With These Zildjians and Model Etc.

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From BosLover

As for "rushing this dude off", I'm not 100% sure what you meant. I'm not annoyed with him. Nor do I want him to leave or stop posting. But I disagree with him with respect to the care and maintenance of vintage cymbals and am meerly expressing my opinions on the subject. I appreciate his youthful exuberance ans passion when defending his point of view.

I only referred to a general statement of transferring this discussion to the Pearl Forum. I did say it in jest, but the lack of vocal inflection probably doesn't get the point across.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Mr.Lud

O god no please dont be confused. I couldn't believe someone out there did that to one of them. There was a old one from 1940's that was hammered on!!!!! Whats wrong with people!

I'm glad we're on the same page with this but if you reread your original post (attached below) you might see why I got the impression you are defending the practice. You also seemed to be defending the application of artificial patina and then later indicated you would never use it on good vintage cymbals. We may be in greater agreement on things than you think, but what I commented on were somewhat confusing mixed messages.

[COLOR="Red"]"You should go to that site..people hammered on alllll kinda cymbals. There were a few 60's and I saw a 40's. I guess they don't care about vintage. Wait I want to clean them I don't care about the vintage part what does that make these people??" [/COLOR]

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
#182
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From BosLover

I'm glad we're on the same page with this but if you reread your original post (attached below) you might see why I got the impression you are defending the practice. You also seemed to be defending the application of artificial patina and then later indicated you would never use it on good vintage cymbals. We may be in greater agreement on things than you think, but what I commented on were somewhat confusing mixed messages. [COLOR="Red"]"You should go to that site..people hammered on alllll kinda cymbals. There were a few 60's and I saw a 40's. I guess they don't care about vintage. Wait I want to clean them I don't care about the vintage part what does that make these people??" [/COLOR]

I see how you got that...I more meant that there stupid for doing that. I was getting at I am getting all kinda heat for wanting to clean mine up, imagine what you guys would say to them guys that hammered on them things!!? I have a few things to say lol.

Now with a artificial patina I think it could be used in place of the real thing with NO consequences at all. I also do not think anything anyone has ever done is the right way though. I think there is much more science and chemical reactions that go into a patina than we really know. If we knew then we can begin to mimic it.

Posted on 12 years ago
#183
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From Mr.Lud

I see how you got that...I more meant that there stupid for doing that. I was getting at I am getting all kinda heat for wanting to clean mine up, imagine what you guys would say to them guys that hammered on them things!!? I have a few things to say lol.Now with a artificial patina I think it could be used in place of the real thing with NO consequences at all. I also do not think anything anyone has ever done is the right way though. I think there is much more science and chemical reactions that go into a patina than we really know. If we knew then we can begin to mimic it.

I got the gist of what you were saying. In your defense, I think you were misunderstood in a lot of what you were saying. But as well, these guys do know what happens if you're trying to re-sell cymbals that are too clean. They are really looking out for your best interest and being passionate about this is an understatement.

Subtle artificial aging is the hardest thing to do on instruments. I've mastered it on guitars. I will have to figure out how to artificially age a wrap and lugs if I can't find suitable orphan drums to match this new Slingerland outfit I just picked up.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
#184
Posts: 1322 Threads: 22

From Mr.Lud

I see how you got that...I more meant that there stupid for doing that. I was getting at I am getting all kinda heat for wanting to clean mine up, imagine what you guys would say to them guys that hammered on them things!!? I have a few things to say lol.Now with a artificial patina I think it could be used in place of the real thing with NO consequences at all. I also do not think anything anyone has ever done is the right way though. I think there is much more science and chemical reactions that go into a patina than we really know. If we knew then we can begin to mimic it.

If you recall, my main argument again the use of chemicals to create an artifical patina was their corrosive nature. if misapplied, they could stain, pit and otherwise damage valuable cymbals. When it comes to expensive vinatge cymbals, I espouse the medical oath taken by doctors. "Do no harm." :)

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
#185
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From BosLover

If you recall, my main argument again the use of chemicals to create an artifical patina was their corrosive nature. if misapplied, they could stain, pit and otherwise damage valuable cymbals. When it comes to expensive vinatge cymbals, I espouse the medical oath taken by doctors. "Do no harm." :)

Haha i agree. What I was getting at is a less corrosive approach. Something that while it created a patina didn't destroy it in the process. Its just an idea and nothing more. Who knows if it would even work.

Posted on 12 years ago
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