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Well I might see. I know it fills gooves changing sound and adds weight to change sound. I have NO personal experience here in this area though. Thats why I wanted to try.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Mr.Lud

Well I might see. I know it fills gooves changing sound and adds weight to change sound. I have NO personal experience here in this area though. Thats why I wanted to try.

You're not selling them so you have nothing to lose. If you're unhappy with the results, shiny is not forever. They will start the oxidation process as soon as you polish them, and will develop a dull patina again over a period of several years depending on environmental circumstances.

Some who get new cymbals or clean up old ones purposely remove ink stamps and logos for a cleaner look. I would not do that, but again its a personal preference. If you have ink stamps on any of the cymbals that you were not planning on removing, polishing will, in all probability, completely remove them.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
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Paiste cymbal cleaner in the ORANGE bottle tends to leave logos on,I have found..........

And yes,it works fine on A.Zils.............

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From BosLover

You're not selling them so you have nothing to lose. If you're unhappy with the results, shiny is not forever. They will start the oxidation process as soon as you polish them, and will develop a dull patina again over a period of several years depending on environmental circumstances. Some who get new cymbals or clean up old ones purposely remove ink stamps and logos for a cleaner look. I would not do that, but again its a personal preference. If you have ink stamps on any of the cymbals that you were not planning on removing, polishing will, in all probability, completely remove them.

No there are NO stamps. If there were I wouldn't shine them and kill them. That would be removing a part of the cymbal. I do not wish to do that. Yea a patina comes back really quick actually. This is only a few years, I can only imagine a 50 year old one how old they must look! haha

Posted on 12 years ago
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From drumhack

Some in the patina camp state that the patina actually fills in the tonal grooves in the cymbal, thus altering the sound.

I disagree with that. The patina is an even coating. I've never seen a vintage cymbal when the lathing grooves are filled in. I suppose that could occur if there was a lot of built up grunge, but that should be removed with mild soap and water.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
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From BosLover

I disagree with that. The patina is an even coating. I've never seen a vintage cymbal when the lathing grooves are filled in. I suppose that could occur if there was a lot of built up grunge, but that should be removed with mild soap and water.

I will find the threads where some of the guys have said that the patina gets in the grooves and alters the sound. I am proof positive I have read that statement on this site, and more than once. Whether it is true or not is another thing, of course.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From drumhack

I will find the threads where some of the guys have said that the patina gets in the grooves and alters the sound. I am proof positive I have read that statement on this site, and more than once. Whether it is true or not is another thing, of course.

I'm not suggesting you didn't read it somewhere, I just don't think the surface oxidation that forms will be any thicker in the grooves than elsewhere. If anything, I would guess, from the little I've read, that the deepest recesses of the grooves would oxidate slower than the surface, but I'm not a metalurgist and can't confirm that.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
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The next time i get a realy bad vintage cymbal and i can get some studio time i will do a sound clip of before and after . i thought about this before , i think the same argument would come up , some will say it sounded better filled with gunk crap dirt and thick patina , and some will say wow that's my cymbal . i had some skeptic customer's at first . one thing for sure the ones that did are glad they did . me on the all mighty patina and silk screen logos , i dont give a hoot about that , the cymbal companys dont give me a dime to play theire product's , i just buy them like you , and now i got to maintain them , if i dont the real value will be lost the (SOUND)

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From drums2xs

The next time i get a realy bad vintage cymbal and i can get some studio time i will do a sound clip of before and after . i thought about this before , i think the same argument would come up , some will say it sounded better filled with gunk crap dirt and thick patina , and some will say wow that's my cymbal . i had some skeptic customer's at first . one thing for sure the ones that did are glad they did . me on the all mighty patina and silk screen logos , i dont give a hoot about that , the cymbal companys dont give me a dime to play theire product's , i just buy them like you , and now i got to maintain them , if i dont the real value will be lost the (SOUND)

Sound clips will be generally usless for any kind of meaningful comparison. There are way too many variables, the mikes, the amps, the recording venue, the player, the sticks, the recording technique used, etc. I dare say that if you tried to compare a Stradivarius violin against a lesser instrument at home you would be hard pressed to definitively show the superiority of the Strad. The human ear and brain are a much a better judge of subtle differences than any microphone.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 12 years ago
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From BosLover

Sound clips will be generally usless for any kind of meaningful comparison. There are way too many variables, the mikes, the amps, the recording venue, the player, the sticks, the recording technique used, etc. I dare say that if you tried to compare a Stradivarius violin against a lesser instrument at home you would be hard pressed to definitively show the superiority of the Strad. The human ear and brain are a much a better judge of subtle differences than any microphone.

to a point your right on the studio , and your so right on the human ear and brain being the judge , all that i have encounterd like the sound of theire cymbal after it's been cleaned . and years of sticking a cymbal would never leave marks on cymbal and cause wood build up that get caught in the groves NO that never happens , and when that build up get mixed with sweaty hands and what ever , that surly will keep that cymbal sounding new and fresh for many years to come ..

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Posted on 12 years ago
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