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Old 01-29-2020, 10:52 PM
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Default Manufacturing Secrecy: The Dueling Cymbal Makers of North America

This is a very lengthy article that I found by chance and probably has more cymbal information that any other single article that I've seen on this subject. There's plenty of good information here. I figured that it might be of interest. I know that most of you here will probably not be sufficiently motivated to read it in it's entirely. But I'm posting anyway with only the hardest of hard-core cymbalholics in mind. I know that there's a few of you here that would read it all. So this is for you.

Source: The Journal of the Society for Industrial Archeology

Abstract:

The modern manufacture of cymbals offers a case study touching on many areas of interest to industrial archeology. The perpetuation of craft-based know-how in an industrial setting may be explored both for its role in the manufacturing process and its strategic use in defining a manufacturer's competitive image. The contrasts on the shop floor and in the trade literature between two cymbal companies of common origin reflect processes of market adaptation and the nurturing of critical technologies bounded by long tradition. Comparative site scrutiny of such active but historic industries can deepen our understanding of the forces that both constrain and propel industrial growth, while educating us in the challenges of examining proprietary work processes.






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Old 01-30-2020, 10:59 AM
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Wow, thanks for posting this. Would it be possible to get a PDF of this or a link to where it is available? I would love to file it but am not sure if I can do a copy and paste from this site. Sorry to be so greedy but it is such good stuff and will take time for me to really read and comprehend in depth.
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Very interesting paper, although I question some of the generalizations being made such as A. Zildjian models are the preference for jazz. And, of course, it completely ignores the separate existence and competition of A. Zildjian and K. Zildjian until the mid 1970's, Although he mentions machine hammering and alludes to hand hammering he doesn't really discuss the hand hammering process in any detail even though that's the way A Zildjian made them in the early days at the Quincy factory. You would know far better than I when the move was made to machine hammering and when hand hammering ended altogether. And finally, it appears to have been written sometime after 1989, and the cymbal making landscape has changed a bit since then. I'm guessing there are a number of questionable assumptions that you identified and I missed. However it was still a very worthwhile read. Thanks for finding and sharing it.
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:14 PM
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Well done Bill (finding unlocking and posting)
and good work from the author.

"sensorial understanding!" page 40 I've argued for

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Old 01-30-2020, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedal_Pusher View Post
Wow, thanks for posting this. Would it be possible to get a PDF of this or a link to where it is available? I would love to file it but am not sure if I can do a copy and paste from this site. Sorry to be so greedy but it is such good stuff and will take time for me to really read and comprehend in depth.
you search the authors name (he and this story was referenced Page 82 in the Cymbal Book btw) (but passed over by nearly everyone) and you must enlist to download: here>

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40968162?seq=1

Now back to 'sensorial understanding'.page 40....

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Old 01-30-2020, 01:33 PM
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In conclusion he states...

"The intentional denial of potentially innovative technical information is an unexpected and probably intolerable to those who rely on reasoned scientific inquiry.

But drummers have no such concerns , depending rather on their ears and the traditions of their profession to judge the worth of a cymbal"
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to that may I add "amen"

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