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Old 01-03-2016, 10:05 PM
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Yeah, everything ArchxAngel says. The outfit is referred to as Super Classic set, with a Supraphonic snare drum. Serial number indicates late 1967 or early 1968.
They appear to be pretty grungy and a bit rusty. A good cleaning wouldn't hurt. I have a set just like them, same finish, same era, and it sounds great.
The outfit will probably sound good when fixed up.
Thanks BEC. Cheers
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:07 PM
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That Supraphonic doesn't appear to be the aluminum version but rather the earlier chrome over brass. I don't see pitting on the exterior, which was common for the chrome over aluminum versions. My personal opinion on value would be 700-1000 US. Doesn't have extra holes,needs a cleaning and has some rust, but overall they look in to be in great condition.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:30 PM
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The kit is about a 68 Super Classics...worth about $700/800US..
The snare "doesn't" look like a COB...but a nice superphonic..$250.
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:21 PM
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That Supraphonic doesn't appear to be the aluminum version but rather the earlier chrome over brass. I don't see pitting on the exterior, which was common for the chrome over aluminum versions. My personal opinion on value would be 700-1000 US. Doesn't have extra holes,needs a cleaning and has some rust, but overall they look in to be in great condition.
Hi Jay. I'm with you. Pay attention to the metal color behind the chrome.

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Old 01-04-2016, 05:23 PM
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The kit is about a 68 Super Classics...worth about $700/800US..
The snare "doesn't" look like a COB...but a nice superphonic..$250.
Thanks for your time. Cheers
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:54 PM
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The set needs some serious loving, but should be well worth it when done.
There's a spreadsheet with serial numbers (470,xxx - 501,xxx) in the 1st link below to my '67 WMP Downbeat that leads me to believe that the set is more likely from early 1969 (2nd link). Others on this forum are a lot more knowledgeable and have databases for dating via serial numbers. My kit is a one owner with receipts (in the linked photo album) so I can say with certainty that the set you're scoping with closely matched SN's (688,xxx +/-) was built later than the spring of 1967.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/305599...57629432619022

Serial Number database:
http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/serial_numbers.html

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Old 01-04-2016, 06:16 PM
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The set needs some serious loving, but should be well worth it when done.
There's a spreadsheet with serial numbers (470,xxx - 501,xxx) in the link below to my '67 WMP Downbeat that leads me to believe that the set is more likely from 1968. Others on this forum are a lot more knowledgeable and have databases for dating via serial numbers. My kit is a one owner with receipts (in the linked photo album) so I can say with certainty that the set you're scoping with closely matched SN's (688,xxx +/-) was built later than the spring of 1967.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/305599...57629432619022
Nice job there! Thank you for your time. Cheers!
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:40 PM
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Thanks for your time. Cheers
Pick it up...if it's 7/8lbs...it's yr reg snare..
If it's more like 14lbs...it's COB.
Also check the hoops..I.e. NOB..? Does t have to be...but dos help.
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:40 PM
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If a keystone badged Supra has a serial number it's almost 99.99% going to have a Ludalloy (aluminum) shell. I think the "brass" you're seeing is just some gunk on the shell, what I see on the lower portion is lots of tiny pits in the chrome, just like most (but not all) older aluminum shelled supras. A brass shell from that late in the decade would have a "B" stamp by the muffler and those are exceedingly rare.

The top hoop seems to have the same brass showing on it. Try a magnet on it, if it sticks then, whatever that is, it isn't brass.

Cool set, at the right price it would clean up real nice.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:00 AM
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Looks like a '69 super classic to me.
Ludalloy snare, natural interiors, nob tone control.
Awesome kit.

The main thing you will need to restore it is elbow grease.
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