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Where to start restoring my first vintage, Star/Majestic kit?

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Hi Folks,

I love vintagedrumforum.com! I've been reading posts and using the guides to help me shop for vintage drums...the shopping is over. I'm 2ish years new to kit drumming after playing percussion for 20 years and I just purchased my first vintage drum set on ebay. It's a Star/Majestic 3 piece (22/15/12 from the ad), silver oyster pearl wrap(if that's what it's called), I'm not exactly sure what year(It was listed as '60's) and I paid $127. Any help on dating this would be appreciated.

The drum set comes with a bass drum pedal, but I don't know about bass spurs or a tom mounting arm. Is there anywhere I can find replacement hardware for this drum set?

As for restoration, the hardware has considerable surface rusting as shown in the pictures. I'm not sure what constitutes light or heavy rust on a drum set and, as I've read several restoration posts about metal hardware, it seems the heaviness of the rust is important in deciding the process, tools and chemicals to use. I'd like to have a restoration game plan and get the proper products before my new drums arrive. I already have WD40, will get Dawn and metal polish, but I'm not sure if I'll need rust remover. Any tips would be MUCH appreciated as I want to get to playing this cool drum set as soon as possible!

The photos below are from the seller, so I can't post interior or other specific images just yet. I'll post additional pictures, if helpful, as soon as I can.

Thanks!!!

Brian

BTW, this kit will be joined by my ~'58 WFL, 6 1/2 x 14, snare. It won't match the Star wrap as the snare has a natural wood finish. My hope is that the construction and materials of the Star kit will allow for closer tonal compatibility than I currently experience with my non-vintage, soon to be released, drum set;)

'65/'66 Slingerland Stage Band in Red Sparkle Pearl
'67 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliner in Blue Sparkle Pearl
'49 WFL 6.5x14 Contest Snare
'55 Slingerland 7x14 Hollywood Ace Snare
'70's Premier PD2000 5x14 Snare
50's & 70's Zildjian/Paiste Cymbals
Posted on 12 years ago
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Hey Brian, Welcome to the forum!

Congrats on your fist kit! With 20 years experience handling drum sticks, applying many of those same patterns to the kit will allow you to progress at Warp speed.

Take them apart down to the bare shells. Check all the bearing edges carefully for bad dings or damage. Go over them with 00-00 steel wool to clean them up a little. The rest is elbow grease. Clean, polish, clean polish etc. You get the idea. Just know that it is a cumulative process, taking care with each step along the way will produce a stunning end result.

Great finish on those. Probably some nice aged Luan shells (look for dark wood interior with a vertical grain,) and you can use a snare stand for the rack tom until you track down the appropriate arm. You might want to ask Mikey777. If anyone here has one, it'll be Mike.

Look forward to seeing photos of the finished product.

Enjoy...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Welcome Brian,

Those will be some sweet looking drums once you get them cleaned up. Like Purdie Shuffle said the first thing is to take them down to the bare shells. On badly rusted items I use Evapo-Rust. It comes in a 1 litre plastic container, is non toxic and does not contain acids. You just place the rusted parts in a plastic pale and put in enough liquid to cover the parts then let it sit overnight. The stuff is amazing. Parts that I thought were ruined came clean. With the wrap I, like a lot of other members, use Novus polish #2. It will polish out small scratches & oxidation and make the wrap come alive again.

I know you want to get behind that kit and give it the what for, but the big thing is to take your time.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Welcome to the VDF!! There are a few MIJ specialists here on the Forum that can offer you advice...Jonnistix, cn679. Mikey777, Ralf, etc...There is a vast amount of knowledge in these fellows...

Good luck and keep us posted!!

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 12 years ago
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VERY cool snag! Cheap too! Good job!

Yeah, you'll like those. Have fun with them!

fishwaltz
Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks for the tips!!! I'll plan on spending a considerable amount of my winter recess on this project. I like the idea of a non-toxic rust remover, if the clean-polish-clean-polish process doesn't give me the results I'm looking for.

I've been playing a 3 piece recently, so am in no rush mounting hardware. I do have an extra snare stand, though...just in case.

...now the wait...

'65/'66 Slingerland Stage Band in Red Sparkle Pearl
'67 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliner in Blue Sparkle Pearl
'49 WFL 6.5x14 Contest Snare
'55 Slingerland 7x14 Hollywood Ace Snare
'70's Premier PD2000 5x14 Snare
50's & 70's Zildjian/Paiste Cymbals
Posted on 12 years ago
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Hi Brian, and Welcome! I normally don't like to contradict my fellows, but this is very important...NEVER, EVER use steel wool on any parts of your drums, with the exception of screws and nuts. If you follow the link in my signature to my youtube page, I have set up several restoration video tutorials. Rust is one of those things that is greatly debated across the site. I apply a liberal amount of first mineral oil, then apply some Turtle Wax Rubbing Compound and let it "soak" for about 15 minutes. I use a number of items, from cotton t-shirts to brushes to steel wool, but only for it's intended purpose of cleaning out the threads of screws and nuts.

I have, for the main purpose of cleaning rust off of surfaces, a spinning brush, like a toothbrush. It is called the "SonicScrubber" Pro Detailer. You can use a spinning toothbrush as well, but make sure you have a supply of rechargeable batteries, or regular "AA"s. I keep a ready supply of rechargeables on hand for the express purpose of detailing my drums.

1) Mineral Oil (I have not found anywhere that WD is more desirable than mineral oil, and mineral oil is CHEAP and lasts forever~you can get a pint for like $2.00 in the baby section at Mal-Mart)

2) Turtle Wax Rubbing Compound

3) Variety Pack of all 4 grades of steel wool, 00 thru 4-0

4) Used cotton t-shirts, skivvies, socks are a must,

5) Screw gun with adjustable torque/1-4 and drill lock, using #1/lightest setting to drive any nuts/screws on etc. and multiple bits, including a drill bit drum key ( http://www.musiciansfriend.com/search/search.jsp?sB=r&question=drill+bit+drum+key+ )

6) Eagle One Wax as You Dry and a water bottle/sprayer from the Dollar Store and a good, clean, soft 100% cotton cloth. Lightly spritz on some water, then follow it with a light spritz of Eagle One and polish away, leaving your sell polished and protected.

7) Many others will suggest Novus 1,2 & 3 for shell restoration. I have never used it, but I hear noting but good, so if you can afford it, go for it.

This should be enough to get your head swimming...er, I mean get you started.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks for the laundry....rather, restoration list, jonnistix. This is helpful and not overwhelming.Walking

Just to clarify though...

-apply mineral oil then rubbing compound (before cleaning off the mineral oil) and repeat as many times as needed.

-Steel wool for tension rod threads only.

-Car wax for the wrap.

-#1 setting when attaching lugs to shells.

Anything special for the interior of the shells?

Also, I'm gonna need new batter & resonant heads. Does anyone have ?

'65/'66 Slingerland Stage Band in Red Sparkle Pearl
'67 Rogers Buddy Rich Headliner in Blue Sparkle Pearl
'49 WFL 6.5x14 Contest Snare
'55 Slingerland 7x14 Hollywood Ace Snare
'70's Premier PD2000 5x14 Snare
50's & 70's Zildjian/Paiste Cymbals
Posted on 12 years ago
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The perfect case for NEVER using steel wool on any metal surfaces, chrome, brass or otherwise. It dulls the finish, no matter how fine the count. I don't care if you can get 5-00, it will still dull the surface, period. The full thread on this snare is in the "Restoration" section, seen below the link for the pic.

http://vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36750&d=1323690734

http://vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?p=158002#post158002

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 12 years ago
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From nearlybrian

Thanks for the laundry....rather, restoration list, jonnistix. This is helpful and not overwhelming.Walking Just to clarify though... -apply mineral oil then rubbing compound (before cleaning off the mineral oil) and repeat as many times as needed. -Steel wool for tension rod threads only.-Car wax for the wrap.-#1 setting when attaching lugs to shells.Anything special for the interior of the shells? Also, I'm gonna need new batter & resonant heads. Does anyone have ?

You can sand the interior of the shells to 100 or even 220 grit and brush on 2-3 coats of lacquer. Also a no-no is polyurethane. Poly is liquid plastic and will thus encase your shell in plastic, the wood never to breathe again and lending a "plastic" tone to your drums, as the lacquer will allow the wood to breathe because it is made from wood components, caustic yes, but a more "natural" solution. Others use tung oil, I find it a bit too fussy when you can just brush on lacquer and be done with it.

As for batter heads, I think you can get outfitted with new Z-100's for about an average of 17/head if you look carefully. I know this is a bad word, but try GC or Bentley's and ask them first for a 14" Aquarian Z-100 snare head. They should have boxes full for less than 10 once you test drive the snare head, you can then go back and ask them to order the others. As for reso heads, any single ply will work, try the old take offs for a while, and then as you can afford it, replace them one at a time.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 12 years ago
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