hi calfskin,

very interesting now i know even more,thanx to you.

great news and v.interested in the key!!!

here are the photos as requested and it is does have a thin pad and

also a close up on the interior of the tom that looks like walnut-ish?

please keep eye out for a cymbal arm and a bass leg and give me a shout.

i've sent you an e-mail with my details ?

thanks again you have been a fantastic help.

Does the muffler knob, just turn or is there a slot in which it trips back and forth like a toggle switch? The frame of it resembles very closely the Trowa muffler. The earlier Trowa, that I have is from about 1950, I think. It has a wooden pad base like the Deri,which is screwed into the muffler frame; it is therefore tight but the later version from about 1965 has a steel pad base which is riveted and it is wobbly, until engaged with the head. It doesn't seem to matter. It doesn't rattle ,when disengaged and works flawlessly when engaged.

The toms do have a dark colour but it is much redder than Walnut. It is highly unlikely, that the Germans would be using walnut anyway, because the dark, lumber walnut is from the Black Walnut of N.A. and has always been very expensive, due to rarity. The Carpathian or English walnut of food commerce is an entirely different wood. Take a very close look at this material. The shells are very thin,dark,reddy brown, without rerings, the same as the older Bongos, I have that I am sure are Deri,which are made of a hard pressed composite.. I suspect ,that yours, are unusually heavy as well. Look at the edge with a lens and see if there is any endgrain. I bet they are a composite.

here is the new drum skin graphic hope you all like it, and thanks for all the information gained.

Very beautifull drums and so cool, i like them.

I can imagine the reaction when you tell someone who had never seen them, that the size

of your bass drum is...( that x that ........and x that .....Eye Ball What??? )

thanks giger t-the sizes are 28x20x18 and glad you like it

hey, diamond. haven't had any luck regarding the cymbal arm(rod)----perhaps one from another maker would work. most all of the European drums in the 40's through to the 70's had bass mounted arms----some were L types like the American stuff but a lot were telescopic

off hand I can think of trixon, sonor,tromsa(both telescopic and L),deri,lefima,tacton,ajax,premier, olympic,beverley, autocrat, broadway. i have used a top section from a straight cymbal stand with mounted separate tilter on a couple of kits and it worked and looked good. about the snare, that i thought might be Deri----it isn't. it is a really nice old Tromsa with cast hoops. the lugs look identical to those on your drums----unusual for Tromsa but I think it was their ace of the time; possibly an orchestra snare.

Hi diamond,

Sorry, I've failed to answer your question some time before.

calfskin already nailed it - he obviously knows much more about vintage German drums than me, a German guy ...Yes Sir

Strange, rare and really beautiful drums!

Ralf

thanks ralph,

calfskin-i have tried my straight arm trixon cymbal arm but it is just too big too fit into the bass drum hole-also tried my beverley arm but this fits but does not secure tightly as too thin.

so unfortunately still on the look out but many thanks for your quality info as ever

Just picked up this original calfskin 22" Deri bass drum skin so thought i would share this example with you all. hope you like it.I believe it may be quite rare??