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Were the Japanese Smarter Than Us Last viewed: 10 seconds ago

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From OddBall

I just got rid of a Gigmaker from Yamaha, I like to tune the batter head tight, I was limited to tension or they bend. Back before that, I had a store name brand and it did the same thing. The Gigmaker was very recent, the brand name was vintage. It did sound surprisingly good but it wont stand a Rock drummers punishment long. I had to re-form those as well. You can easily go to GC or a drum shop and see what I mean.

I checked on the gigmaker and you couldn't get more entry if you tried. I thought you were discussing the proper pro drums from these companies. I used to have a Masterworks kit some years ago and the thing was bombproof. Any Yammy I've played, the same.

Whilst on this though I used to have a Sonor designer kit in a drop dead Bubinga finish. The spurs and floor tom mounts slipped. Apparently a common issue when they get a little older. I didn't know at the time how to remedy it, but apparently they need a good stripping and servicing. Lovely drums though, and bleeding heavy.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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From johnnyringo

OK, so if those 5 sided screws were so wonderful, how come Ludwig is now using Phillips? Not to mention pretty much every company out there. Ludwig was not inventive and apparently didn't like change. And dude, you need to quit abusing your hardware.

That`s funny.

First question, ... Cost.

Second, My Phonics are Phillips from the mid 70`s and I think Drops are Phillips too. SONOR are white steel.

I worked My sisters machine shop for 6+ years,.. Steps after machining are expensive. After heat and tumble/centerless, Shafts and screws beat the **** out of your tooling.

Cost, cost, costs.......

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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From geckobeats

I checked on the gigmaker and you couldn't get more entry if you tried. I thought you were discussing the proper pro drums from these companies. I used to have a Masterworks kit some years ago and the thing was bombproof. Any Yammy I've played, the same. Whilst on this though I used to have a Sonor designer kit in a drop dead Bubinga finish. The spurs and floor tom mounts slipped. Apparently a common issue when they get a little older. I didn't know at the time how to remedy it, but apparently they need a good stripping and servicing. Lovely drums though, and bleeding heavy.

Many are not fond of Designers. They`re 90`s and by then SONOR wasn`t operating it`s foundry or plating stations.

I got the Gig for flip and did it in a week because they liked that brite green sparkle wrap. Everything about them was a tad over toy quality.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

Many are not fond of Designers. They`re 90`s and by then SONOR wasn`t operating it`s foundry or plating stations. I got the Gig for flip and did it in a week because they liked that brite green sparkle wrap. Everything about them was a tad over toy quality.

Those Yamaha Gigmakers are made in Taiwan, not Japan. Everything made in China is crapola!

Posted on 8 years ago
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Oddball - honestly don't care to debate the whole issue with you (I agree with some of your assertions) - thing is, not sure they all matter. For example - BD claws - I don't think that any BD head should ever be tuned so high that claw performance in high tension would ever become an issue. You tuning your BD that high??

Meanwhile, I have had hardware fails on drums from ALL the companies. While it is frustrating at times, it doesn't even come close to becoming a factor in my mind as far as my preference for vintage MIJ. The parts are so cheap (and quite plentiful in my supply) that I don't mind owning them. Their benefit is SO worth it. When I can buy an MIJ kit at a garage sale/CL and sell off some of it - and end up with a FREE kit (and also some profit on top of it sometimes).....that's just to darned great!

BTW - when I come across an American kit at a good deal - I almost always do it TO FLIP. This profit from it funds things like cymbals and heads.

If you are good enough at it, you can practically do this 'hobby' for free. (I haven't, but my financial investment has been probably 10 cents to others' dollar.

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

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Posted on 8 years ago
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From Drummerjohn333

Oddball - honestly don't care to debate the whole issue with you (I agree with some of your assertions) - thing is, not sure they all matter. For example - BD claws - I don't think that any BD head should ever be tuned so high that claw performance in high tension would ever become an issue. You tuning your BD that high??Meanwhile, I have had hardware fails on drums from ALL the companies. While it is frustrating at times, it doesn't even come close to becoming a factor in my mind as far as my preference for vintage MIJ. The parts are so cheap (and quite plentiful in my supply) that I don't mind owning them. Their benefit is SO worth it. When I can buy an MIJ kit at a garage sale/CL and sell off some of it - and end up with a FREE kit (and also some profit on top of it sometimes).....that's just to darned great! BTW - when I come across an American kit at a good deal - I almost always do it TO FLIP. This profit from it funds things like cymbals and heads. If you are good enough at it, you can practically do this 'hobby' for free. (I haven't, but my financial investment has been probably 10 cents to others' dollar.

Yes, I do tune the batter very tight. I like a short note. The opposite with the snare, under 5 inch is a short snare sound no matter how hard you hit. I like 5 1/2+ because a long snare sounds good with a short BD.

I`m not in it to flip or collect. I have one kit that I`ve had my whole drumming life. I don`t need another but want one. Just one other.

I like a user friendly, non tool adjustable kit. That`s all you need. Because of that, Quality counts, Grade matters.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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Oh, and always remember, you can`t play a drum you don`t have.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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From OddBall

Oh, and always remember, you can`t play a drum you don`t have.

You are an Oddball.Falling Do

Posted on 8 years ago
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