Correct. But it seemed obvious, so I asked and that was confirmed.

I do not see anything about re wrap either ?

But... even after you asked, he didn't include your question/his answer or at least edit his description? THAT, IMO is VERY MISLEADING. The seller is opening himself up to MUCH TROUBLE. I can't help but wonder if his six bidders are aware of that????

I have sold a few rewrapped sets on eBay in the past. I not only include the fact that they are rewrapped, I give details on the rewrap method. Like I said, this guy is opening himself up for trouble -- as someone who is looking for a nice vintage set could very well be really ticked to get the drums and then discover they are a rewrap! I sure would be!!

So, either the seller doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't realize this is a VERY POTENTIAL PROBLEM for himself, or he does know what he's doing and is BEING DECEITFUL for the sake of taking someone and making more money!!!

Sorry to be so harsh, but that's the way I see it...

Bill

Would be appropriate to mention, but given the brightness of the wrap, seems to me one ought to ask too, especially since the seller may not even consider it an issue. Could be in his view he simply has a really nice set and even nicer because the finish is new and looks really nice. To a certain extent, the buyer is reasonably protected through feedback, buyer protection and so forth.

I've seen a lot of sets for sale where things were wrong and nothing has been said. I even got a Rogers set recently with a 14 tom that had legs for a 16. They looked correct in the photo so I didn't ask. Guy is a collector but said he didn't know. I take him at his word. An earlier one had legs that someone made themselves. Right length, wrong item. Nothing mentioned and I missed it. What can I say? Should have been looking for the hash marks I guess. But sometimes photos are not as clear as you'd like them to be. But I see a lot of Rogers sets, in particular, with mounting arrangements on the bass drum that seem to be altered. Then somebody says it hasn't been altered. OK, so it looked as if it was to me, but it wasn't. Again, what can I say? Caveat emptor?

I also sent a drum to someone recently that I thought was OK. Got it from a well known vintager. But it had a wrong hoop and some wrong rods. I missed it. My bad, but the guy was OK about it. It happens unless you have extremely thorough knowledge of every detail for that marque.

The important thing is that those of us who do know something (when we really know), best to say it. I like the ones that say, "If you have any questions, ask."

Yes, I agree that the brightness/whiteness of the wrap should make someone that is seriously interested ask questions...

But, I also know (from a couple of eBay experiences), buyers sometimes see things through "rose-colored glasses" when they're wanting something bad enough. I had a buyer once very upset because he thought he paid too much (a regular auction) for an item I clearly described as "this is NOT in very good condition; I can't use it on any of my projects, but maybe you can."

I sold a Ludwig internal tone control once that I had mistakedly listed as a Slingerland one (I had SEVERAL listed, and just got things confused on my end). The only bidder sent me a question as the listing was about to close, wanting to make sure I was selling the one "in the picture" and not "as described" (he wanted the one in the picture). I apologized, let him know it was indeed the one in the picture, and he bought it. Then complained the item "wasn't as described" even though he got what he said he wanted...

I've corrected a lot of errors for sellers through eBay messaging. Most are glad I've tipped them off, and most make changes to their listings pretty quick, at least posting our conversations. Some have just ignored me, too.

Sorry. I'm not trying to be the "eBay policeman" here... really just trying to help people out...

Bill

I need to weigh in on this. In 1969 my dad bought me a set of W&A with sky blue pearl wrap. In the mid 70's, as a fulltime playing drummer, I needed a new kit, but couldn't afford one. The family came first. So, I did the unthinkable. I turned the Walbergs into a wooden finished kit, popular at the time. I also "upgraded" the hardware.

Now that I am better off, and still play gigs, I wanted to set the record straight. I wanted the original kit back and took advantage of the new "vintage" wraps and remanufactured hardware to get it back.

I love the look of it and the sound of it. I don't care what it is worth to someone else. To me, it is worth a millon. There are two sides to the rewrap story. I can appreciate both.

A while back, a 20,13,14 Rogers set was on eBay for sale. I considered it and waived off because all three drums had been converted to memri-loc. After some discussion back and forth, he pulled the advert and began restoring the set. His mother had bought it for him in 1964! It was blue sparkle. Somewhere along the line, he had covered it to black.

It is now back to the orignal blue sparkle with all the holes fixed properly dealt with in the shells. The set looks absoulutely beautiful and he is as happy as can be to have his original set back, similar to the comment above.

So yes, there is more than one story on this. After all, how would Precision stay in business if wrapping wasn't either necessary or beneficial in many cases. Keep in mind, that many folks are still playing these sets actively and want them to look good.

Hello, I'm new to the forum and other than my intro post, this is my first response to a thread...so hello to all again!

I'm in no way an expert on re-wraps but I've done up a couple drum kits in my time. I think an important question to ask yourself before deciding whether to do this work or not is "am I doing this for ME or for someone else?".

If you like playing the set you have but can't stand looking at it, and you think that putting a new finish on it will bring you joy, then by all means re-wrap it! If you don't get the price you want for it 5 years down the road, so what?? But for those 5 years you will have enjoyed the look of your set and perhaps others will have too.

Also, if/when you play gigs, is it important to you that your drums earn points with the occasional drum aficionado in the audience or do you want your set to look killer to the general public?

I think this way of thinking applies equally to other fields of interests as well. Restoring motorcycles is another hobby of mine. So for example if I'm gonna restore a '59 Harley panhead for myself to keep and ride, and the paint is old, faded and starting to rust, I'm gonna have it repainted to the way I like it and want it to look. When it's done, it'll more than likely get positive compliments from the general public. But there will always be that one Harley aficionado who will tell me I ruined the originality of the bike. I tell him he's right, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.

Welcome to the forum!

I sincerely hope my comments about the WMP Rogers set on eBay weren't misunderstood about my thoughts on the value of rewrapping. In those particular replies, my concern was NOT with whether-or-not the set is rewrapped, but whether-or-not the seller was describing the set accurately in his listing.

I agree whole-heartedly with the idea of what the value is to the "end-user." That IS really all that matters!

Bill

I feel if you don't like the finish/whatever..sell the kit!

It's not like it's the only kit out there! Then,find a kit in the finish you like...

I knew a guy years ago that HATED WMP...so,any drum he got in that finish,he would RIP the finish off!

Is that "stoopid" or what?