I joined this forum to learn because I don't know enough about vintage drums to teach but I am gathering a lot of info every day. What are the more desireable lugs for this era of rogers?

Thanks

The b&b lugs are beautiful, but fragile. The beavertail lugs would be more desirable, especially for players.

Auction ended at $1249 .............WOW !!!

Item 320437534896

I've purchased a Ludwig 14x14 and a Slingerland 14x14 this year. The Luddy was actually a bit under 100 (shipping brought it to right at 100). You've seen it with the Jazz Mutant kit I put together. It's in excellent condition. The Slingerland was just a tiny tiny bit over a hundred. It, too is in excellent condition. These drums are out there on ebay. Some go for much more than these and some go for what these went for. It's all in what the buyer will pay.

Hey guys,

I thought I'd share some recent events. I was the seller of the 14x14 WRR.

I by no means claim to be a Rogers expert. I appreciate the insight and knowledge from this forum... that's why I'm a member here.

#2... Unfortunatly, that 14x14 WRR is apparently a fugazi, according to the buyer. Now, I stand behind any/all eBay transactions so if the buyer isn't happy I'll refund the funds no questions asked (once the drum is returned).

The buyer honestly feels this was a B&B drum at one time, and would like a full refund. I purchaed this drum over a year ago, I of course asked about the B&B possibility, and was assured this was original Beavertail... I would not of purchased it otherwise. I recieved the drum, looked great, I started playing it. I did not remove the lugs, which is on me... I understand that. Eye Ball

Well, new buyer says BS. This was B&B drum at one time and is sending it back for a full refund. This is a "live n' learn" situation for sure, as I paid a good amount of money for that drum, and it know sounds like its a fugazi... What a bummer. I will be trying to seek-out the original seller that sold me the drum, but that could be difficult.

When the drum gets back to me, I'll strip it to the shell and post pics...

As I said, what a bummer. CryBaby

All the best,

Joe

Hold everything............. you sent me a pic.

I cant see that.

I'm questioning it too... I know it to be original... but this buyer is sweaing it was once B&B... I'm on the fence if I should fight it...

Thoughts?

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Joe, can you post the pic here ?...I'm interested in seeing why the buyer is claiming this, too. Gotta see those elongated holes in order to make that claim.

If they were after-factory replacements, that kinda sucks, Joe, in the sense that, yeah, Rogers folks want 100% factory.

Also, you certainly won't get anywhere near the $ you got for it on that auction any longer.

However....it's still a rare size and wrap. AND, lest we FORGET this: there was a very GOOD reason why folks switched out the B& B's for Beavertails....because B & B's basically suck. Bad design, structurally unsound. They were made for the days of natural heads, not synthetic. They could never withstand the tension of synthetic heads. 75% of 'em still in existence are cracked.

If you are um..."lucky" enough to land the ones that aren't ? Hell, what are ya' gonna do with 'em ?

Either:

a) just keep the drum as a museum piece with tension off

b) use natural heads with low tension

c) use contemporary heads with low tension (forget the snare drum tuning altogether), and pray nevertheless

d) strengthen the interiors of the original lugs with a cold weld/putty product (very time-consuming and there's still a chance they may go)

e) replace 'em with JPCreations repros (at $25 a shot....just for the casings !)

f) replace the lugs with some kinda lug that fits (I think old ugly Pearl lugs might fit original B&B holes) and keep the pretties in a shoebox someplace..

None of those 6 alternatives is really anything better than a significantly compromised solution.

So, if you were a drummer and you owned one of these kits, and you started using Remos because they were cheaper, easier, and better than natural skin heads....and one by one, your lugs started making Rice Krispies sounds everytime you tuned the heads....what were you gonna do ?

Yup...switch the lugs out to the new Rogers version: the Beavertails.

IMHO, I would either sell the shell with the B'Tails left on, and just represent it that way....or if you wanna go thru that trouble, remove 'em and sell with the option of including the B'Tails for an add'l fixed amount.

You will still get a ludicrously high price for it...criminally high, actually....

Now, if you and several others Rogers buffs (Plough included) really determine that there isn't the physical evidence to support that these lugs aren't original...hell, yeah, fight it. I mean, besides the elongated holes, there would be some small, small sign of the old B&B footprint in the wrap, too.....[/COLOR]

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Are these the buyer's pics ? They look inconclusive to me. Usually altered B&B holes get downright oval in shape. Those still look round.

Also....the 'wrap fade' around the holes looks to be a Beavertail footprint.

Also, any sign of the washer indent on the interior having moved ? There would be the appearance of the old washer location contrasting the shifted new one in the painted interior....

Hmmmm Makes one think that maybe the wrap fade wasn't the exact hue the buyer hoped for...so he wants out of the deal (?)

Again, methinks it's just too inconclusive from those pics....[/COLOR]