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Rogers Holiday Snare Drum? What do I have here?

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I may be mistaken, but I feel like this is some kind of Frankenstein of a drum. Judging by the relatively low serial number and of course the Holiday badge, shouldn’t the lugs be Bread and Butter?

The bearing edges feel rounded, not like the sharper angled ones of the other Rogers drums I’ve owned, but it looks like it’s 5 ply, not 3 ply. I was under the impression that the switch to the 5 ply shells were also when they went with the more modern, sharper edged shells (though again, this may not be accurate.)

Also, didn’t this painted version of the clock face throw off come after Holiday snare drums were replaced with Powertones? I realize swapping out the clock face wouldn’t be all that difficult, but it still just adds to my confusion.

Finally, I’m pretty sure it’s been re-wrapped, since it’s smooth and not the “orange peel” texture, but whoever did it did an excellent job, as I can’t find any extra holes anywhere in the shell. As you can see in the picture, when they re-applied the Rogers script bade, they didn’t even pierce the tag on the inside. Possible that they removed the tag first, then stuck it back on after everything was in place?

Is there anything else I should be looking out for to help me identify what it *actually* is? It sounds great and I love playing it, curiosity has just finally got the better of me!

 

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Posted on 3 weeks ago
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Posted on 3 weeks ago
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I counted six-plys in your snare, not five.

 

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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I see what Hoppy sees. Total of six plies, so three ply shell with a three ply reinforcement ring.

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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I don't see the reinforcement ring. Six plies. The drum is cool. The wrap looks original to me. If it's a fake, then it's a very good one. It might just be an original mix. I never mind a great fake. Sometimes it's the only way to get what you want. 

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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Taking another look at the pics, I can see the argument for a five-ply/1-ply re-ring that Delorso called out in post. I'm curious to know if the re-ring(s) is just as thick as a normal shell ply. From the pics, it looks like it may be the same as a ply, but the lens/angle can be deceptive. I always thought most re-rings were generally proportional to at least a couple of plys (???), which makes sense for the assessment thin shell offered. 

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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I concur with thin shell, 3-ply shell with 3-ply re-ring.  Makes sense for early sixties Rogers.  Member Gvdadrummasum could assess this drum in great detail including the name of the employee who made it.  Search his posts or try to message him through the sites DM system (which may or may not work). 

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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Thanks all, I actually got some great info from a Rogers expert, who cleared it all up for me: It's a 1960 Holiday snare, with the B&B lugs replaced with Beavertail lugs. When I removed one of the lugs at his suggestion, I saw the elongated hole that had been drilled to accomadate the newer lugs:

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He also clarified that it is in fact 3 ply, with 3 play re-ring, all maple:

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Posted on 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for the follow-up.

Most videos I've seen of re-ring installation on modern drums seem to have a thickness that is equal or slightly greater than the shell, so the 3-ply shell/3 ply re-ring was the most likely scenario.

I don't know if the interior paint & photo angle was throwing my eye off, but I just couldn't gage how thick that re-ring was in the images.  

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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Makes sense on the lug replacment. Looks like a gorilla enlarged those holes, but that seems to be the case with a lot of drum mods. There are very few drum technicians anything like a luthier for guitars so you see a lot of hackery done in the past. No matter, the drum looks great put together.

Ludwig and Slingerland used a 3/8"ish thick single piece of steam bent maple for their rerings, except for those Arkansas Slingerlands which used oak, with a long, overlapping scarf joint. Premier used Beech for their steam bent rerings until the early 80s when they switched to a shell cutoff.  Rogers used a shell cutoff and a short 45 degree scarf joint. 

Pretty much all of the modern drums with rerings use a shell cuttoff like Rogers did. Rogers failed as a company, but many of their innovations and detail live on today. Ludwig is using the single piece of steam bent maple on their Legacy shells, but with a 45 degree scarf joint. There might be a boutique drum builder or two using steam bent maple for their rerings, but Ludwig is the only major company still doing it.

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