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My First (Ringo) Rogers!

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Centered hex swivo tom mount. extra knobby on the floor tom says "Top Hat Kit" all original. Did it come with the T.H. mount?

Posted on 8 years ago
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I have a Rogers in that finish and it sounds amazing. Mine is 22, 12, 13 16 with a matching wood Powertone.

I am looking for a 20 and 14 in that same wrap, so if you're going to part with it I would be interested in the kick.

Posted on 8 years ago
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The kit appears to have been original as a 20, 13, 16 and dates to 1968 if the tags are original to the drums (they appear to be). Other details that point to 1968 are as follows:

1. 1968 is about the earliest you see the black strata finish. There may be a few ‘67s around, but I haven’t seen one yet.

2. Interior finish is speckled paint. Flat grey generally disappears in 1967.

3. The tension casings are secured to the drums using slotted hex-head self-taping screws. In general, those don’t show up until the speckled paint shows up. However, the washers are still standard fender type.

4. Bass drum rods are the new style that showed up in late ’67 during the transition, but are noted as a new development in the 1967/68 catalog.

5. Tom rods have a shoulder. Earlier rods phased out in 67 had square cut heads.

6. 9x13 tom has a single script located one panel to the right of the tom mount with the tone control in the very next panel. If that was a 9x13 for the other side of the set, the layout would typically be reversed. So that tom was always meant to be used with a single tom mount in the general configuration that you have now - 3-piece set.

7. It is far more common to see the extra mount as the one at the front. Often people added drums. However, the key will be whether the holes of the angle mount or holes of the straight mount appear to be the original ones. Usually the added mount looks like a do-it-yourself installation rather than a factory one. Also, a true top hat mount will have a smaller diameter center hole than a later double tom mount. So remove the mounts and take some pictures from the inside to upload. That will reduce the mystery.

8. The extra partial hole in the FT could be a factory mistake. If the tags reasonably identify it as a 1968 kit, and I think they do because the other details match that time period, it is in the zone of transition from Dayton to Fullerton. Some odd things happened in that era and they probably experienced a good deal of change in personnel. That floor tom could have slipped through with that error as a result.

Bottom line – cool kit!

Posted on 8 years ago
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From Dan Boucher

The kit appears to have been original as a 20, 13, 16 and dates to 1968 if the tags are original to the drums (they appear to be). Other details that point to 1968 are as follows:1. 1968 is about the earliest you see the black strata finish. There may be a few ‘67s around, but I haven’t seen one yet.2. Interior finish is speckled paint. Flat grey generally disappears in 1967. 3. The tension casings are secured to the drums using slotted hex-head self-taping screws. In general, those don’t show up until the speckled paint shows up. However, the washers are still standard fender type.4. Bass drum rods are the new style that showed up in late ’67 during the transition, but are noted as a new development in the 1967/68 catalog. 5. Tom rods have a shoulder. Earlier rods phased out in 67 had square cut heads. 6. 9x13 tom has a single script located one panel to the right of the tom mount with the tone control in the very next panel. If that was a 9x13 for the other side of the set, the layout would typically be reversed. So that tom was always meant to be used with a single tom mount in the general configuration that you have now - 3-piece set. 7. It is far more common to see the extra mount as the one at the front. Often people added drums. However, the key will be whether the holes of the angle mount or holes of the straight mount appear to be the original ones. Usually the added mount looks like a do-it-yourself installation rather than a factory one. Also, a true top hat mount will have a smaller diameter center hole than a later double tom mount. So remove the mounts and take some pictures from the inside to upload. That will reduce the mystery. 8. The extra partial hole in the FT could be a factory mistake. If the tags reasonably identify it as a 1968 kit, and I think they do because the other details match that time period, it is in the zone of transition from Dayton to Fullerton. Some odd things happened in that era and they probably experienced a good deal of change in personnel. That floor tom could have slipped through with that error as a result. Bottom line – cool kit!

Wow! Thank you so much for all the good info! Really appreciate that!

Posted on 8 years ago
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I think you'll like that arrangement of sizes. Nice bump under and nice open sound up top. I had a black one that I like quite a bit. Of course, what you have is more interesting because of the finish. Mine had the same added mount up front. I put a plate in that had a key-holder in it. Worked nicely.

Posted on 8 years ago
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I need to find a single arm for it. Anybody have one to sell?

Posted on 8 years ago
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Very classy. Beautiful drums.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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From richm

Centered hex swivo tom mount. extra knobby on the floor tom says "Top Hat Kit" all original. Did it come with the T.H. mount?

Sorry I don't quite follow what your asking?

Posted on 8 years ago
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From Sweets

I have a Rogers in that finish and it sounds amazing. Mine is 22, 12, 13 16 with a matching wood Powertone.I am looking for a 20 and 14 in that same wrap, so if you're going to part with it I would be interested in the kick.

Sorry I don't ever part out or separate kits that are together.

Posted on 8 years ago
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From ec_curtis

Sorry I don't ever part out or separate kits that are together.

And you certainly shouldn't. I should have phrased it better, meant to say I would be interested because of the kick.

Then again, when you play the kit you may very well decide to keep it after all. Lovely, lovely drums :)

Posted on 8 years ago
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