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Maybe off-topic - mufflers on modern drum?

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This is probably off-topic but I'd like to get some feedback please.

I recently bought a DW Performance drum kit as part of a trade. It's my first DW, although I've owned several older PDPs. In general it's okay except for two problems: first, the 6.5x14 maple snare has a horrible "hammer-hitting-thick-metal" overtone. Second, the 14x16 floor tom has a very long sustain... as in 5-6 seconds...

I was able to "fix" the snare by stretching a 2'" wide strip of cotton cloth under the batter head and tweaking the reso head/snare tightness. Old school solution. The same would probably work for the floor tom. In both cases, the width of the cloth is a wild-a*** guess, so each experiment involves pulling the head then reattaching and retuning.

For the record, I hate moongel. It looks like my toddler grandkids sneezed and sprayed snot on a drum. With my vintage gear I would simply play with the tone control muffler and tweak the tension on the batter heads.

So... given this is a DW Performance kit (and not a collector's item)... I'm considering buying some new Ludwig mufflers and installing them on the DW drums.

Am I crazy? Thanks!

Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 4 years ago
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I wouldn't do that. You will devalue the drums for resale and it's just not part of the design of modern drums. Poor DW worked for years to get drums to sustain like a Carlos Santana guitar solo! ;) I think the general idea behind all of it was that you could always attenuate the sustain, but you couldn't really add it. Thus, the Moon gel and all the new drumheads that have muffling built into them.

But, as they say...."They are your drums to do with what you want." :)

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Posted on 4 years ago
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Lots of cool vintage external mufflers out there. Would this be an option?

Brian

Just a drummer who loves all things about vintage drums! Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 4 years ago
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The internal tone controls (mufflers) were eliminated from American manufacturers' drum making for one reason. The reason was for increased profit by removing at least two labor functions and the cost of necessary parts while not increasing the price of their drums. The internal tone controls allow for the drummer to instantly increase or decrease the amount of muffling and ring-cancellation with no effort. Ringo's tea towels were temporary mufflers. Cloth strips under the batter heads are going to stay in place until you remove the hoop and the head first. Rogers drums was the first manufacturer (I think) to address the shortcomings of having no internal tone controls by supplying external versions that clipped on to the hoops of snare drums and tom toms. Once the industry leapt off the cliff like lemmings, there was no turning back except for reissue attempts of vintage spec drums.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 4 years ago
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I would try cranking the bottom head up on the 16 or just put some tape on batter and resonate side.

Posted on 4 years ago
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From O-Lugs

I wouldn't do that. You will devalue the drums for resale and it's just not part of the design of modern drums. Poor DW worked for years to get drums to sustain like a Carlos Santana guitar solo! ;)

That's got to be one of the better lines I've heard in a while!

Although to be serious, the resale for DW Performance series isn't good in my area. I'm not sure adding a muffler would harm the value... in fact, I'm not sure most of the local drummers would even notice.

On the other hand, Salty's suggestion of external mufflers might be worth looking at. Not sure what one would do the snare drum's rimshot, but I can always take it off if I don't like it.

Current sets
2018 Precision Drum (natural maple, 10/12/13/16/20)
Gretsch USA: 1958 3-ply (white pearl, 12/16/20), 1976 6-ply (12/13/16/22), 1998 6-ply (walnut, 8/10/12/14/16/20)
Slingerland: 1963 (BDP, 13/16/22), 1966 (Sparkle red, 13/16/20)
Posted on 4 years ago
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A good external muffler won't impede a rim shot if it's properly positioned. The Rogers external mufflers work very well and can be adjusted for as much or as little muffling as you desire.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 4 years ago
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Here's two suggestions, #1 Clear Moon Gel, #2 cotton balls, real cotton balls not synthetic cotton balls, for a 16" tom 7 to 8 or more if you need more ring taken out,. cotton balls placed inside the shell, and one moon gel for the top head,

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 4 years ago
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I use these Wambooka gel pads -

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113671091354

They're clear and are almost unoticable and they don't ruin your drum heads.

Oh, and they work well on my cheap cymbals as well. They bring that lovely brassy harsh sound down a bit!:o

But :Santa: is about to end my cymbal problem because he is bringing me a beautiful assortment of Agop Istanbul cymbals for Christmas! WooHoo!x-mas3

Posted on 4 years ago
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From leedybdp

A good external muffler won't impede a rim shot if it's properly positioned. The Rogers external mufflers work very well and can be adjusted for as much or as little muffling as you desire.

Have to agree with leedybdp. Vintage Rogers or Tama external mufflers can be adjusted and placed where you want them. No fuss, no muss. Take them off if you don't like the effect. Move them around to get different degrees of sustain.

Brian

Just a drummer who loves all things about vintage drums! Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 4 years ago
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