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OK, I took the plunge and traded in my 1966 Ludwig Super Classics for an early 1960's Round Badge Gretsch kit.

One of the reasons for it is the fact that I was never very impressed with how the Luddies sounded and always preferred my earlier smaller sized Club Dates. I've always found the tuning range on this SC rather limited. Very good lows but less mids and highs. Maybe 1966 wasn't Ludwig's best period,… I don't know.

Anyway, the sizes of the Gretsch are: 20", 16", 13" and the finish is Silver Glass Glitter. All shells are 6-ply. Depending on the manufacturing date, I guess it could be a "Name Band" or a "Bop Outfit".

Regarding its manufacturing date, I received some great info from a very knowledgeable member.

The diamond mounts are an early generation with the screw heads on the

top, which was used throughout the '50s, and discontinued in about '61.

Gretsch switched from Silver Sparkle to Silver glass glitter in about the

same year, so there is a narrow time frame that these drums could have

been produced (assuming the wrap is original). If the drums are from '61,

it's normal for there to be no interior tags.

There is no reason to think that the set was ever rewrapped so 1961 could very well be the year of birth.

The wrap has a few issues and there is one little hole plugged on the 13" tom. The chrome looks great and the interiors and edges are nice. The hoops were redone in silver sparkle at one point.

The 4160 snare wasn't part of the trade and didn't come cheap but is very clean and sounds incredible and as far as I know, period correct with the 1961 set.

I played it today with Remo Vintage A's on top and Ambassador on bottom for the toms, Ambassadors on the bass and I loved the sound!

Gretsch is totally new to me and learning everyday so all input is welcome.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Those are really nice. But wouldn't you think one could tell with certainty if an old set like this had been rewrapped? Maybe not..

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From larryz

Those are really nice. But wouldn't you think one could tell with certainty if an old set like this had been rewrapped? Maybe not..

I was told to look closely to the edges and badge tacks inside the toms.

I'm not a specialist but they don't seem to be messed around a lot with,…

You never know 100% sure of course.

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Nice kit, Stef! I have never owned a vintage Gretsch kit, but think you made a good trade. I'm sure they sound great! To be honest, I never really cared for the sound of my '63 Super Classic kit, either. The '58 Luddy kit that I restored, however...that thing sounds fantastic. Happy drumming!

- EMD
Posted on 12 years ago
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You certainly see more 60s Ludwigs for sale than early 60s Gretsch especialy Round badge so I would say you did very good. Nice looking drums you have there!

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

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Posted on 12 years ago
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gretsch is definitely better than ludwig; 60s rogers is the best tho-

Posted on 12 years ago
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Great trade! I'm a fan of the 20/16/13 configurations too!

The Band

Never play it the same way once.
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From kookadams

gretsch is definitely better than ludwig; 60s rogers is the best tho-

Rogers hardware was best overall , but saying they sounded the best is of course a matter of opinion . I think each company's product had it strengths and weaknesses . Coincidentally , I took my '67 Ludwig kit out of storage the other day , and tuned it up . Hadn't played it in about 15 years . Have to agree with others here and say they aren't the best sounding vintage drums . I much prefer Gretsch and Sonor ( I own both ) . I must say that the 3 ply maple-poplar-maple shell Ludwigs from 1968-1975 sound fabulous .

1963 Gretsch Progressive Jazz Champagne Sparkle
1967 Ludwig Super Classic Oyster Blue Pearl
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You not only traded up, you traded w-a-y up! Both monetarily and in terms of quality, you got the best end of the deal. You could flip those tomorrow for $2000/$2500.

I have a late 50's RB kit (3-ply Brooklyn shells,) and it is one of the warmest and most musical sounding set of drums I've owned. Remember also that; Ludwig was in "crisis mode" in the mid-sixties trying to keep up with all the world-wide orders for kits that were generated by Ringo. Quality at Ludwig really went down after 64' because they were using anything and everything to keep up with demand. I have a pre-serial Ludwig Hollywood kit (w/COB snare,) that sounds stomp-down killer. One of my fav kits sound-wise. But by 66' Ludwig was scrambling to keep up with demand. Some of those kits sound muddy, I know what you're talking about. But before, and after that period, they made some of the best drums in the world.

John

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Uuuuuuuhh, the museum called. They said they want their Gretsch drum set back. MAN!! Beautiful set of Vintage Gretsch. So sweeeet!!

Enjoy those, Sir.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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