Hello again R.Adam McHugh

Thanks for the kind reply pal glad you liked

..I sometimes wonder if my ramblings are making any sense

Hello Jay,

Yes That may be something I would think about doing

The two legs I have that are original

are a good bit thicker than most other ft legs on these stencils

so if I replace the brackets I may need the legs as well

LMAO ..Mitch ......"you funny guy" hehehe

QUOTE=Dan Boucher;369636]Kenwood,

As I recall it, I moved one ratchet mount all the way to the left (from the drummer's position) and that just about left the bottom hoop of the 13 clear of the mount. Because the mount was top dead center, it was a tricky arrangement. The other aspect of conflict was the cymbal arm mount conflicted with the right-hand tom, which added to my reason for setting aside the 12" tom.[/QUOTE]

Hello again Dan

I thought I already tried every which-way possible

to use the preferred 13"

especially after the solid hour and a half I spent

cleaning off all of that huge amount of hardened

and very stubborn duck tape residue from it

I will double check to try your method but short of doing that

I think the upright shanks of these spade mount brackets

are just too darned short for a sensible looking position for this 13"

that will clear the bass drum and yes I dislike the double toms on these kits for the same interference with the bass mounted cymbal arms ...among other things

QUOTE=Tommyp;369642]Yes indeed... 'tis true! Only the mod/webmaster can change and/or edit out titles, etc. I just saw this now, so I shall make it so. Goes without saying, the actual content CAN be edited by the OP, but not the main title...

Tommyp[/QUOTE]

Hello Tommyp Thanks for making that correction for me

I am curious though ...even with you making the change to the typo in the thread title as it is displayed from the main board

The mis-spelling is still displayed each time I add a new post to the thread

Nothing That concerns me at all

but just interesting that it still comes up with the typo

Here are some newer pics of the drums

..They have not been detailed save to remove some of the bigger and more obvious eyesores

We could say it has been a very long time and I may have a memory of positioning the 13 comfortably that isn't actually real. I agree the arms are very short and make it difficult to position the toms and impossible to position them horizontally flat with a bit of tilt toward the drummer. It just doesn't work. Still, a great MIJ find and great memories for me. Keep lookin' for those and find me a blue sparkle set!

Dan I will do just that ..

I am up to my eyeballs in blue sparkle kits

Olympian, Hoshino, Ralston, Gambles, Dixie, and a few no badged kits

but nothing Laboz badged

I have a LaBoz badge you can have. La Boz is what, French for The Boz?

Hello FloydZKing

Awesome about the badge .you can p.m. me anytime

Your question about the meaning of the name LaBoz

got me thinking and with a few minutes research I was not able to find an exact meaning for LaBoz

That aside, I was able to dig up some info about the LaBoz brand name

as it pertains here to these drums

as it is often times the case the company which distributed these kits was also and perhaps better known

for Japanese import guitars

the following paragraph was a right-click of what I found

" The Tele-Star Trading Corporation, (Broadway, New York) was begun by Maurice Laboz in around 1965 and concentrated on relatively humble low-end guitars (and drums), produced mainly by the Kawai company. In 1967 the Tele-Star company was probably purchased by the Music-Craft Electronic Corporation. In the early '70s, the New York warehouse had a fire and the company relocated to Secaucus, New Jersey. From that point on, Tele-Star abandoned guitars and switched its focus to musical accessories. Circa 1982, Maurice Laboz sold the business to Fred Gretsch, Jr., son of the founder of the more famous guitar company"

additionally I tried to research the Kawai company mentioned in the above paragraph as the probable producer

from what I was able to find the Kawai company produced pianos and other keyboard instruments and their history makes no mention or references to guitars or drums

Hey Maurice .........nice drums ...but the tom mounts are too darned short

LaBoz Skaggs??? [SIZE="2"]No, forget that one, it was awful...[/SIZE] Toilet

Was joking, it's another nonsense stencil name. I think it's latin for Boz Burrell (still joking). Sending PM.

I did a LaBoz refurb once that involved casting new LaBoz badges, so I actually have a mold. Am sending an original in metal though. These are Pearl-built btw.

LaBoz also made Telestar drums and guitars

(I only learned this recently when I learned that we knew the very same LaBoz family who owned the company)

[QUOTE=Kenwood;370916]

I was able to dig up some info about the LaBoz brand name

as it pertains here to these drums

as it is often times the case the company which distributed these kits was also and perhaps better known

for Japanese import guitars

the following paragraph was a right-click of what I found

" The Tele-Star Trading Corporation, (Broadway, New York) was begun by Maurice Laboz in around 1965 and concentrated on relatively humble low-end guitars (and drums), produced mainly by the Kawai company. In 1967 the Tele-Star company was probably purchased by the Music-Craft Electronic Corporation. In the early '70s, the New York warehouse had a fire and the company relocated to Secaucus, New Jersey. From that point on, Tele-Star abandoned guitars and switched its focus to musical accessories. Circa 1982, Maurice Laboz sold the business to Fred Gretsch, Jr., son of the founder of the more famous guitar company"

Hello mackermanesq,

Your comments confirm for me the brief research (above)that I was able to do with regard to the origin of these cool old LaBoz tubs

It is cool to read you were actually acquainted with the family.

It reminds me of a similar situation,

where a music store owner local and long standing to my area

was acquainted with and remembers vividly from his youth the Zimmerman family

who were the New York City based distributors

for Japanese import drums, guitars and other instruments all bearing the "Zim Gar" label

Thank You for posting

Hello FloydZKing,

I got that LaBoz badge you sent me ..Thanks a million pal ^5's

I believe the wonder-twins played the same exact LaBoz 12-string to put Gamera in a trance during the battle scene in "Gamera VS ZimGarodon".