I have been told they are 70's Ludwigs. I just don't know what year. The guy I bought them from (at a yard sale) said they were late 60's. I knew better because of the badge that they were made in the 70's. Heck, for $200, I could not pass them up. Here is my original post:
http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1848