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There really wasn't much difference, in terms of sound with Ludwig's 60's shells. Sometimes, the maple veneer went on the inside...Sometimes it went on the outside....Sometimes both inner and outer veneers were maple...Sometime both inner and outer veneers were mahogany. Most of the 60's Ludwig used a white paint to seal the interiors of the shells against moisture (like a humid environment) and also to cover up blemishes that might have been present in the veneer.People refer to these shells as Ludwig "3-ply" shells. I'm not sure of the exact date, but eventually Ludwig stopped making their shells the "3-ply" way and started using some other woods and methods of construction. The red drums look pretty nice. Of course you realize that it's just the three drums with no hardware like stands, pedals, etc. On many occasions, it is possible to find a nice vintage Ludwig kit with all the original hardware, too. I know you are itching to get a kit, but the trick to getting a vintage kit is to get one as complete as you can. And, when and if you score a nice kit, please make sure to be a good steward of it and take exceptional care of the drums. Never get lazy and lose the discipline of taking care of your "axe" -especially if it's a clean vintage one. They are much more special since they are no longer made the same way.Vintage drums sound great but they also require an extra bit of care and "nice treatment" -because if an important part breaks, replacement parts are not always something you can find quickly. It usually means you have to go back to Ebay again and play the waiting game for the right replacement part(s) to come along.You seem to be coming at this the right way, though. It's always better to collect as much information as possible before jumping into the vintage drum world! Peace.

I wouldn't mind a kit coming with a matching snare, but hardware, though convenient in many ways, is definately unnecessary. I'm fine with just getting three pieces, as well, because there's no shortage of vintage Ludwig snares. I'm sure a kit's more collectable with an original matching snare, but it's not really priority.

And yes, I am definately itching to get a kit. But I've been itching for a few months, so I'm being patient. Just an itchy kind of patience. I wouldn't buy a kit out of impatience.

Once I do have a kit, I will baby it. It would be such a shame to give vintage drums any but the best of treatment. Afterall, they don't make vintage drums anymore;) . Once I have a kit, I'll definately disturb you all with countless questions on how to keep it as nice as it can be.

Should I be concerned if a kit has repainted hoops or new old hoops?

Posted on 18 years ago
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Vintage hoops are often nicked up from the claws and many times, people will touch them up with a black marker or in some cases, they will be stripped and re-painted. One gauge that I use in determining how well a set was taken care of is to look at the kind of shape the bass drum hoops are in.

New bass drum hoops often (but not always) lack the inlay space. It seems liek a small detail, but that inlay strip really "dresses" the look of a kit and ESPECIALLY a vintage kit.

I own a couple of Ludwig kits (a 1967 Jazzette kit and a 1970's blue sparkle B/O badge kit). My blue sparkle kit is in what I would call "pristine" condition -NO flaws, no scratches, no problems of any kind -like a new set, except 30+ years old! Granted, this kit is in exceptionally rare condition...but they are out there if you can just hold out long enough to find it.

We welcome the questions here! Good luck and I'll keep my eye out for something good!

By the way...What kind of music are you into?

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Posted on 18 years ago
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Posted on 18 years ago
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I'm into indie rock. That's pretty broad, but it's just about all light rock. 22, 13, 16 would be perfect. Heck, 90% of the bands I listen to play vintage ludwigs.

That set looks good, but it will probably go up higher than I'd like. I'll watch it for sure, though.

Posted on 18 years ago
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Yep. It went high.

Although I am primarily on the lookout for Ludwigs, something like these rogers still interests me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7397937181&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Could someone tell anything about that kit? Is it a cool/desired kit? How high do you suppose it will go?

I saw a "mardi gras" rogers in pretty terrible condition go high, so I'm assuming this one in nice condition will, as well.

Also, I don't know how concerned I should be about whether a kit is pieced together or all original. Didn't Ringo play 20', 13', 16'? If I decide I don't mind owning a kit that was pieced together, then this is a perfect deal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7398561997&fromMakeTrack=true

Boy, this is taking patience.

Edit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7397638048&fromMakeTrack=true

oh my goodness.... I wish my budget allowed this kit. It'll go up up up.

Posted on 18 years ago
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WOW! That silver sparkle Ludwig kit went for WAY more tha I thought it would....It WAS REALLY nice, though!

Those are British-made Rogers drums. The bread & butter lugs were notorious for breaking. That kit is more of a historical museum piece.

The blue sparkle kit in question is a really nice one. I think it would serve you very well if you were to land it. I didn't mean to be discouraging in any way when I suggested that the kit is pieced together....UNLESS you are a new collector and might have thought that kit was all-original. As far as sound...well, I think vintage Ludwigs sound WAY better than other drums.

If that blue sparkle kit has a low enough reserve, then it might be a really nice deal. I KNOW it's going to sound great. Having the hardware will be nice, too. Also...many people actually prefer the 20" bass drum...Usually, the configurations go like this:

18" and 20" bass drums are matched with a 12 X 8 tom tom and a 14 X 14 floor tom

22" bass drums are matched with a 13 X 9 tom tom and a 16 X 16 floor tom

These are BASIC configurations. Beyond that, anything goes!

The psych red kit is also very nice and, yes, it WILL go high, I think.

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Posted on 18 years ago
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This one looks interesting. I'd ignored it before because it said 14x22, 8x12, 16x16, 5x14. I'd really rather have the 13' tom. But I just examined it closer, and as far as I know, the lugs/lug spacing on it suggest that it's a 13'. What do you think? 12 or 13? I just messaged the guy asking if he's positive on that size. If it's 13, that kit looks really nice. Three original 1958 drums and a mid 60's floor tom. I don't mind much that the floor tom is not original, because I'm not a collector and also, it seems like a lot of vintage kits have unoriginal floor toms. Also, it doesn't look like it's getting interest- Why is that?

Thanks.

Is there anywhere that I could hear vintage ludwigs on my computer other than old bands like the beatles? I really wanna hear the difference between the 20' and 22' bass.

Posted on 18 years ago
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Posted on 18 years ago
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BDP is not the most popular color in my opinion. The mention of restored and bearing edges might mean they were cut.

I would email him and ask him more about the interiors and if the edges have been cut.

For some restored means cleaning and detaling and for others cutting edges painting interiors and changing parts.

Just make that clear with the seller before you bid.

David

Posted on 18 years ago
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i was wondering what "restored" means.. i'll ask him questions if it's relisted. i hate the high pressure of emailing hours before it ends, haha.

Posted on 18 years ago
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