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Does this sound like a scam?

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Yes - I too agree that this does not look like a scam.

But - I have no experience with shipping to the USA or Overseas.

I can't see how it could be a scam though....especially because I will not ship the cymbals until I have the cash in my hand. I don't know how WU works.

But don't they just give me the money? If they do, I count it and then and only then....I'd ship his cymbals.....using some of his own money (he pays shipping and all associated costs). Seems too simple to me:confused:

I do appreciate everyones input here.......everyone - the pros & cons....so please give me any experience you've had at all....especially with WU.

It's good that we help each other out when we can. This is part of what I like about this Forum.....everyone has something to bring to the table.

I bought the cymbals at wholesale prices and I'm asking only that amount plus some of the tax..........not much....so even after MB pays the shipping and insurance he will be getting a fantastic deal.....I think.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Yes - tell me more how this works please.

From amosguy

I received a WU payment, but not as a money order. I was sent the payment information for the payment, took that to WU and received cash on the spot.

Posted on 13 years ago
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The cat offered PayPal....

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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A few posts above here he also was looking at WU

From Kona

Hi Gary,BTW, I have checked Western Union web sites and, strangely it comes cheaper than bank wire (?). I found a WU office in Nanaimo as well but does this payment method suit you? Any charges on your side???ThxMaciek

Posted on 13 years ago
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From Kona

A few posts above here he also was looking at WU

So, he PayPals the money... you wait for it to clear into your bank account, and send the items ?

Seems just like any other deal.

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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From kevins

The cat offered PayPal....

Do you think PayPal is more secure than Western Union? I've used both and don't have much to compare them except that PayPal transaction costs are lower. WU charges like a wounded bull...but it works.

I know WU got a bad reputation but that was (as far as I know) with other classes of scams where you are buying something but you never get the goods. It works because WU does pay out in cash on the receiving end. But if you are the seller that's all good. You have the cash in your hand before you ship the goods.

Also note that PayPal is owned by eBay and eBay thus has very strong commercial reasons for wanting to say PayPal is "guaranteed" and WU isn't and you should never pay via WU. Simple vested interest, and it doesn't apply when you are the seller. WU gives cash in the hand. PayPal can reverse payments more than a month later which is a long time for your buyer to have to wait. I use PayPal all the time, so I'm hardly biased against it. It just depends on the situation.

I have sent WU money to my daughter when she was studying dance in Guinea, West Africa. No problems, although she would take a couple of big guys with her for "protection" when she picked up the cash. My wife similarly sent me WU money when I was studying drumming and dancing in Ghana so I could purchase a set of Gahu drums to bring back. No problem. Cash in the hand. I also took a "minder" with me. x-mas3

I'm used to dealing in international transactions and with people from different places and cultures. I was born and raised in California but I've been out since 1975. I only trot out "I was born and raised an American" so I can say the next sentence without getting too much flak (I hope). The most common thing I observe is that Americans who have not lived overseas (I exclude military personnel and multinational employees who live in compounds as "living overseas") don't have any practical experience to draw on when it comes to international matters. For the rest of us outside America dealing with different people, languages, cultures, currencies, customs, and so on are more common events. For Americans who have always lived in America transactions with the outside world are scary. It's just different experiences. Most people are nice. Occasionally transactions go bad.

Just my :2Cents: or 2 Euros or 2 pesos.

Kona: have you really managed to avoid posting things to the USA? Amazing. It is an international border and whatever you need to do for that will be pretty much the same as for European destinations. You do need to check with the Canadian postal service about the rules they have to follow to ship to Poland. All international shipping is by treaties and different countries stick different regulations in. Canada has to abide by the Polish rules when sending things there. The silliest example of this is the Italian one about no musical instruments. But the rule which can cost you dollars and make some shipping impossible is maximum size restrictions. It matters if you are shipping large cymbals (and large bass drums).

People who ship musical instruments to Italy are used to just putting "garden ornament" for cymbals. I don't know what is commonly put for drums. Maybe toys. This is just how you deal with it and it is done all the time. Same with ticking a box marked "gift". Internationally it is no big deal. Within America I've heard some Americans who think it is a big deal. For example:

From Ludwig-dude

Watch out for that "mark it as a gift" thing....that is trying to circumvent customs right there. Both sides can get into trouble for that!

No instance of any problems with ticking the gift box have ever come to my attention. I think after I post this I might check out what snopes has to say about it.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks Zenstat for that very detailed report.

I did make an error when I said I did not ship to USA. I sent a BD pedal off to DrumMechanix a week or so ago.......but other than that...I've only returned a few items to Amazon.com...that's about it for shipping for me.

As far as mailing items to Poland I clicked on the Canada Post website and used their shipping calculator to ship a parcel (they asked for size and weight) from here to Poland. It was as quoted above about $116 (CDN).

If my buyer is willing to send me cash via WU and pay all charges associated with WU (in Poland and here for that matter) and all shipping and insurance....I don't see a problem.

$790 for the Cymbals

$116 for the shipping

$80 or so for the cost of the WU transfer (I looked it up on the WU site)

$16 for the extra insurance (I think it's $1.50/$100)

That's just over $1,000.

The cymbals are like new.........

http://nanaimo.en.craigslist.ca/msg/2210353105.html

I still think it's not a bad deal. When you consider he's getting what he wants and he can't buy them where he is.

I'll give WU a call tomorrow...........

Posted on 13 years ago
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WU - YIKES!!

http://www.jamesmaurer.com/western-union-fees.asp

By the way....what is Yikes? It seems fitting-sounding here anyway haha

Posted on 13 years ago
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as long as he's paying in advance in a secure way, like paypal it seems legit..

there are indeed companies that handles mailforwarding etc to europe and other places around world.. www.myus.com is the most popular one I believe

Posted on 13 years ago
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So, you guys are saying that a scammer can't be knowledgeable in drums/cymbals? That all scammers are just utter morons with knowledge in nothing? A pro that's scammed before successfully and knows all the angles could be very well versed in drums/cymbals and know what questions to ask. We are talking about a lot of money here, so I'd still be suspicious. The western union wire transfer thing just bothers me to no end. I've heard of so many problems trying to get money from overseas via WU and it being legit. Paypal money transfers are only secure if the sender sends the money as a purchase transaction. There will be fees involved though. If the purchaser sends money as a "gift", there are no fees, but there is also no protection.

As the old saying goes: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

Me, personally, I would walk away from the whole thing. It's not worth the risk of finding out if the guy is legit or not. I mean, he's asking for account numbers and such now, in order to send a wire transfer?? That would be a big red flag to me right there. Once he has account numbers, there goes all of YOUR money you already have.

If you do decide to do the deal, I would use PayPal and as a sale transaction, not as a gift. That way at least you are protected. Then I'd wait for the funds to be transferred into YOUR account from paypal. And then I'd wait at least two weeks before sending the cymbals to be sure that the transaction doesn't bounce and paypal takes their money back! I've seen that happen before as well!

Gary, they are your cymbals, and its your risk, but if it were me....I'd walk away. Not worth the risk to me. Someone dangles a lot of cash in front of you from a far off land, when you could get the same on ebay more locally, it just sounds too good to be true and there are too many risks of things to go horribly wrong for you.

:2Cents:

Posted on 13 years ago
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