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I'm kind of wanting to change my cymbal set up. Ive played drums for about 18 years and have had some nice drums... some not so nice... but I have had pretty much the same cymbals for the past 10 to 12 years, with a few exceptions. Currently I use 15" Paiste 2002 sound edge hats (vintage 70s), Zildjian A Custom 20" Ride and 15" crash. I sometimes add a 16" Sabian AA, over to the right side.

Anyhow, I'm thinking of warming up my cymbal sound with Zildjian K series (not sure which ones). Does anyone use these and if so, what sizes are you using?

And if anyone cares to share their cymbal setups.. that's fine too!

Thanks for your comments.

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm sort of in a similar situation right now.

Since the early 80's, I have been playing and collecting Avedis Zildjians. Now I have this little 'jazz' kit, and I was thinking I'd like to expand my horizons a bit with cymbals.

I am familiar with your hats and ride, and say they are on par sound character wise with the A Zildjians. The A Custom is a bit dryer and faster than the regular A's as I'm sure you know.

All that said, I am having a hard time finding K's from the mid 80's to today that fill this 'need' I have for a different sound. I am so accustomed to the sound of the A's that I find all these other cymbals, which have a generally more focused or pronounced signature to their sound, to be less than exciting to me.

In other words, the dry cymbals are too dry, the trashy ones are too trashy etc. I tried an A Zildjian & Cie Vintage yesterday (16" crash) and it really didn't do anything for me.

Perhaps you are better able to receive these types of cymbals, but coming from a similar sound palette as you have, I think you may be somewhat disappointed with a lot of the offerings out there these days.

The true old Zildjians are amazing from what I understand (I've never owned any) but like all thinks so old, there is a lot of hit and miss to the search I think, and spending a grand or more on a cymbal can have the ability to MAKE you love the sound.

I started another thread about the modern "Vintage" cymbals having in mind the A Zildjian & Cie. and K Constantinople cymbals specifically, but there have been some interesting discussions over there you might want to read through. I have not made a decision yet, but the K Cons seem to be the closest to what I think I may want- I have to listen to a lot more of them to be sure!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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thanks for your comments J!m. I will check out the K Cons and see if I like them.

I should also mention that these days I normally play blues/classic rock type of music. I may start filling in with a band soon that throws in a little country too.

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 12 years ago
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If your looking at used A Zildjians, I will make some recommendations for you:

Avoid heavy crashes. No Rock Crash (even the 16") sounds very good to me. Very slow and gongy which I dislike. Medium crashes above 17" generally sound as if they were mis-labeled as crash instead of ride... Thins and paper thins sound good (to me at least). In tact 18" paper thins are hard to find (they are usually broken), but on my short list. I have a 14" Paper thin and it bridges the gap between splash and crash very nicely.

This reminds me- I really need to do an inventory of my cymbals!DOH

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
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Sounds like you are a cymbal connoisseur! I have the ones I mentioned above. Also have Sabian AA 14" hats (dont use often) and a 14" AA crash (havent used in years). I also have an old A Zildjian marching crash cymbal. I think it's an 18". I use this sometimes and it sounds pretty good as a crash, but not sure it really "goes" with the others.

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 12 years ago
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Brew - I've been playing Istanbul Sultans for 6 years. They are the poor man's vintage K's! Allow me to introduce you to Istanbul brass:

http://www.istanbulcymbals.com/?gclid=CInxqo7ak7QCFeJ9OgodHGUAnw

I just finished up a six month stint subbing for a local, working Blues band. I use a 21" Sultan ride, 18" Sultan crash (16" A.Zildjian thin crash) and a set of 14" Istanbul (signed,) Mehmet Jazz-Hats. The guys in that band loved my drums and even commented on the cymbals! I don't usually get non-drummers giving me compliments on the sound of the brass. Check these out. The closest thing I've found to old K's and for 1/3 the price!

I use a very traditional cymbal set-up:

[IMG]http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n632/PurdieShuffle/me2sbp.jpg[/IMG]

Try em out... I'm hooked on them. I'll never buy another set of cymbals.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Brew - I've been playing Istanbul Sultans for 6 years. They are the poor man's vintage K's! Allow me to introduce you to Istanbul brass:http://www.istanbulcymbals.com/?gclid=CInxqo7ak7QCFeJ9OgodHGUAnwI just finished up a six month stint subbing for a local, working Blues band. I use a 21" Sultan ride, 18" Sultan crash (16" A.Zildjian thin crash) and a set of 14" Istanbul (signed,) Mehmet Jazz-Hats. The guys in that band loved my drums and even commented on the cymbals! I don't usually get non-drummers giving me compliments on the sound of the brass. Check these out. The closest thing I've found to old K's and for 1/3 the price!I use a very traditional cymbal set-up:[IMG]http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n632/PurdieShuffle/me2sbp.jpg[/IMG]Try em out... I'm hooked on them. I'll never buy another set of cymbals.John

Thanks John! I like your style! That's pretty much my preferred cymbal layout also. Lately I've been more hats, crash, and ride. But that's more because I dont like the crashes I have, when put together. Im going to check out those cymbals you mentioned. Thanks alot. Beautiful kit in that photo sir!

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 12 years ago
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Here's my setup for my pop/rock band:

[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/B5C318B6-8BE3-4D84-BEF1-B220AD7D7C7D-3698-000007242EB8A8D9.jpg[/IMG]

14" 60's A New Beats

17" 90's K Dark Crash Thin

21" 80's A Rock Ride

19" 90's K Dark Crash Thin

And here's my setup for my Americana/acoustic/rock band:

[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/C2D5BBE4-5A02-4746-862C-A359F46021E8-2878-000002BB07070DB1_zpsc2515b29.jpg[/IMG]

15" 50's A hats

18" 50's A small stamp

22" 50's A hollow block stamp

20" 50's A small stamp

Posted on 12 years ago
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I have the same ride as your last photo (22" hollow block) and it has so much wash to it- tsunami-like wash after four bars you can't find the stick in there anywhere...

It was my first cymbal, and I'll never part with it (i don't think so anyway), but does yours have that tremendous wash to it as well? The bell looks about the same (high, wide and round) too... I just never connected with that cymbal for some reason.

Do you tape it or anything?

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 12 years ago
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Hey Jim,

The wash on my hollow block is actually pretty tamed down, which I'm sure is due to the heavy patina on it. That picture doesn't show it but that cymbal has some of the thickest, nastiest, funkayyyy patina I've ever seen. Check it out...

[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/DSCF0029-1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b273/ryanculberson/DSCF0030-1.jpg[/IMG]

Posted on 12 years ago
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