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Can anybody identify this COS (MIJ?) snare?

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Just picked this one up. COS shell and hoops. No vent hole and no tags or identification marks. The hoops are "sticksaver type". I assume it's japanese but I have never seen this type of strainer before. It's got the same strainer on both sides, no butt plate. Anyone have a clue?

Thanks.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thise look like Yamaha lugs. I have not seen that strainer, but could be an early Yammie. As for the sticksavers, those could have come from someone changing them out at anytime over the last 40 years. How does it sound? Now Blakes' eye is gonna start twitching....I like it, looks like it is a nice drum.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Yep, cool looking drum, but something doesn't seem right. Maybe O-bop knows better, but I think this may be a sort of Frankenstein drum.

The shell and lugs could be a Yamaha, but the strainer looks like Pearl, and it doesn't look original (mounting plate?) Does it look like the hoops are die cast to anyone else?

So, upon my preliminary inspection, we have:

-die cast hoops, possibly, but possibly not original to this drum

-an early Pearl strainer (I can tell by the knob) not likely original to this drum

-unidentified shell and lugs

Sorry, I guess that wasn't much help. Maybe someone else can more acurrately ID the drum, but to me, it looks like a parts snare. I'd like to hear what O-bop and Ralf have to say.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Actually, the strainer looks must more substantial than any of the Pearl zoomies I have seen. This looks to be a quality drum, and possibly could be FrankenSnare, but I have a feeling this is quite something else...Let's review:

1) Yamaha most likely, or possibly Gretsch lugs

2) Sticksaver hhops, Die Cast, no less

3) Dual Strainers, zoomatic type, but not certain, more substantial than any MIJ strainers I have seen, knobs do not appear to be Pearl. I would not be a bit surprised to find this is a European example of something we have not thought of.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From havard

Just picked this one up. COS shell and hoops. No vent hole and no tags or identification marks. The hoops are "sticksaver type". I assume it's japanese but I have never seen this type of strainer before. It's got the same strainer on both sides, no butt plate. Anyone have a clue?Thanks.

The snare is not a put together snare from mis parts..It's a 1960s "MIJ" no name snare..I have seem that strainer set up on 30 or so drums, off names from pearl[[60s]] to many to list..The rims are copys of slingerland s/s rims ,lugs are copys of gretsch..The lugs may have an maker mark inside the lugs they may say Pearl...Pearl in the late 60s copyed alot of the drums made here in the us..Rims.Lugs ete..Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks for all your replies! I will remove one of the lugs and check inside for any markers. The hoops looks like diecast in the pictures but they are not. I will also check inside the strainer.

Posted on 14 years ago
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There are no markers at all inside the lugs and strainers. I have enclosed a picture of the inside of a lug.

The strainer system is a cheapo copy of the Slingerland Clamshell strainersytem.

Is there any way of dating this drum? 1960's? 70's?

Also, is it usual that these stencil snares comes without a ventilation hole?

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I would be interested in a few more pics, maybe some from the inside, pics of the muffler, and close-ups of both strainers.

Isn't that a rusty vent grommet by the small knob in the middle pic?

As to the maker of this drum, I also believe that this is a Pearl made drum. The tensioning knob on the strainer is the design that Pearl used on some of their drums and on the Tempro branded drums. The way the lug is designed also points toward Pearl (especially the base of the lug where it attaches to the shell.)

The hoops, however, I think are very possibly aftermarket. I have a few examples of 60s MIJ Stick-saver copy hoops and none that I've seen have the protruding holes for the t-rods like these do. I dont think that they were original to this drum.

I also think that someone added another strainer to allow for more adjustment. I doubt it originally came with two strainers (but, of course, I could be wrong.)

The mirror chrome shell is not the usual 60s or early 70s MIJ fare. They usually came with a center seam or 3 lines or 2 spaced out lines. So, this makes me think the drum was produced a little later, maybe mid/late 70s?

You also might check to see if the snare strands are original. They should have a 'Made In...' etched at one end of the snare. Also, check your strainer arm for a 'Made In...' as well. I still wouldn't rule out the FrankenSnare idea...

Posted on 14 years ago
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Star actually produced a mirror chrome shell in the early 60s, no lines.

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/japanese_drums/images/Star/1963-5.jpg

Have e look at these pages as well. Click on the photo and it will open the catalog page.

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/japanese_drums/catalog_star.html

You may find it in here, or something similar. The throw arm looks like on of the early Star arms found in the pix at the first link.

Here is another no line shell from later on in the Star line-up, '66 era, called the "Modern Beat".

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/japanese_drums/images/Star/1966A-9.jpg

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Sorry, but I don't think it's any Star snare drum.

The bend over the base I've never seen at Star snare drums

(and, too, not in any of jonnistix pics).

Also it's not a Pearl, as far as I remember and know their lugs.

But - also - I can give no positive hint in this regard ...

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 14 years ago
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