Yes wayne I am new and only have been messing around on this forum a few years. I am 28 years old and I cant believe the amount of knowledge I have learned from the people in this forum. I came to own a vintage drumset by a chance of luck and I came to this forum to learn about vintage drums. And after seeing the fighting in the jazzette thread the other day,It just seemed like people were wasting their time getting upset at this guy when it could of taking only a couple of sentences to correct him and yes I know the govt. arguement is a cliche.Cooked Egg

Just a minor point; you really can't properly appraise a kit without actually putting your hands on it and inspecting it. Also, there is a great deal of difference between questions about history, parts, wraps, setups, heads, etc and the going rate for an item. I am against the driveby appraisal service here. Seems to me that it's eBay that determines market value and not the blokes who sell and play the kits. If we are so dependent on eBay for the data then just admit it and steer all value seekers that direction and field all requests for other drum related info. Might solve a lot of this mindless drivel and non productive chatter. My two cents.

I thought I had some good points. Didn't think it was mindless drivel. Could be wrong.

I think ebay is by far the best place to see what things are selling for in "the real world".

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Don't misunderstand my long winded post on page three....all I'm saying is its getting old. It seems that lately thats all that gets posted on the forum, "Whats its worth?" How about some cool resto project pics like Poppys? How about some videos with some real substance like the vintage factory 8mm Ludwig home movies that David posted? How about some links to mp3s of YOU playing your vintage kit? Stuff like that.....the how much is it worth thing repeatedly is just getting old. Search the forum before posting an FAQ like that, because it IS a FAQ. How about pics of your great great grandfather from the early 1900's or late 1800's playing his drums? Something like that would be cool and interesting.

Like I said before, I turned off my PM's and emails through the forum because of random "members" that don't really ever post anything on the forum who repeatedly ask me "you sound like you know what you're talking about....what's my insert random drum item here worth?" At first one or two answers a month was ok...I was cool with it. Then it became up to 6-7 A DAY! It fills up my email inbox like crazy......not to mention my PM box here. Then when I don't answer right away the "member" gets mad! DOH

As I said before, I am not an appraiser, nor did I ever claim to be, nor do I want to be. To be honest about the senario, like was state by another member in the thread, its worth only as much as the guy who wants it bad enough and is willing to pay X for it. And that is my future answer to anyone who asks me what is this worth......Yes Sir

LOL yeah post some pics like Poppy! lol

You guys make restoring drums fun for me. My GF could care less about what im working on, and what all it took to get it right, but i can restore something and share it with Y'all and feel acomplished and somewhat validated for all the time and money I put into drums. People like Ludwig-dude and o lugs, and j- cymbal and.......everyone here have one single thing in common. "DRUMS"

The ole buzzard with the website selling his drums is one of us too, if, in fact those are all his old drums. Forgive the ole geezer and lets get back to loving and restoring our precious drums!

David what do you think?

Poppy, I'm not purposefully singling out the original poster.....its more the case that his post just happened to be the one too many like it....it would have been ok with me if the questions were asked and he was upfront about already having them listed somewhere with rediculous prices. If the question was posed like, "I have these listed for this much.....am I close or way off base with my asking prices because they aren't selling?" then it wouldn't have bothered me so much. But the way it was done.....its the same old thing over and over and over.....someone wants a value given, then later we see the SAME pictures online somewhere (like ebay) with these things for sale after a value was been stated. Whats worse is when they start off with: "I just scored this for 20 bucks at a yard sale" or "I got this from a close relative for free" or "I got this from a 'friend' for next to nothing".........its when they take advantage of the person that they got it from, then to take advantage of the knowledge of people on the forum, just to make a fast HUGE profit....and they usually no NOTHING about drums, but some "friend" of theirs told them it was worth a lot, so they better cash in.......it just ain't right.

I took a closer look at his website, and at the very bottom of the page is the web designer's link Web site design by Don Thorpe Images

I'm pretty sure Don Thorpe JR. is behind all of this. Like an estate sale.

they think everything is worth twice as much as it really is, because its thier inheritance, and they want to get all they can get. But it still aint worth all the energy of this forum. it is quite a collection though, I must say! But im just a grasshopper, your the sensei LD Bowing

This is NOT in direct response to your posting Luddy dude so please, for the sake of the forum, let's not rumble over this. It just happens that your post was the last one on the thread....

OK. I think that anyone should be able to post anything they want. If the webmaster has a problem with it, he will most assuredly notify that person. Trust me on this. hehehe

If this poor old dude's question is such a bother, why even reply to his thread? Why not just ignore it like several of the site have chosen to handle my rants? There are several threads with very limited responses posted by many different people. Why? Because the collective membership CHOSE not to respond. The old guy (no disrespect intended) surely won't feel slighted if he only gets one or two responses. He will simply choose to go another direction on another site. Nothing speaks louder than silence in these situations. Blasting this guy for the eventual build up of frustration over feeling used is just, eh, I don't know. I was just raised better than to knowingly fire away at a guy in his seventies for simply trying to get through his remaining years on this rock.

I could possibly see some sort of conflict of interest situation if the site chooses to accept a fee for appraisals. Why? Because most of you maniacs buy up everything in sight and should the guys buying the stuff be charging to appraise it? My point is NOT that anything below board would occur. My point is the person paying for the appraisal wouldn't need much to assume he had been had and since a financial transaction took place there could be trouble over this mess. Does anyone really want to deal with that?

That is my :2Cents:

Have a wonderful evening

drumhack

Nice Adam! It's all good!!

AMEN! and AMEN! Well said brother!

This ole buzzard has gotten more responses than my post on "is this a good deal , how much is it worth" Im seriously thinking about buying that, but need some input. But everyones too busy on this.