Ethical dilemma real life scenario. I enjoy buying drums from time to time on local Craigslist. I am not a flipper, or stripper. I buy to keep and play. Occasionally I will sell when the wife gives me the stink eye. So, recently on my local Craigslist a Ludwig 3 piece drum set from the early 70's comes up (bass drum, snare (supaphonic) and rack tom. Zildjian hi-hats, crash and ride for only $150. I called as soon as I saw the ad and spoke to a very nice older woman who informed me that someone named "I won't say the name" just called and was on his way over. Normally I just go aw shucks, but this guy completely was dishonest with me a few years ago on an all original WFL kit with matching cymbals, hardware and calf skin heads. I had posted my kit on Craigslist and he called right away. The only condition I had was the buyer please keep the kit to play because the gentleman I bought it from treasured it for years. The local guy promised he would keep them and even mentioned that he was going to used them for a local church. Sold. Except I see everything parted the next day on ebay. Hell, he got more than what I sold them for on the cymbals alone. Anyway, back to the story. I was tempted to tell this lady the true value of the kit including the cymbals, but I ultimately did not. I feel like I did the right thing in general but boy it was tough knowing that this ass clown is making another serious score.
Do you help the seller, or do you just shut up?
In this case I would have done a scorched earth policy on him. I would inform the seller of a fair price for the gear she had.
Yep in this case I would have returned the favor. This was your sign.
Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
judgement is everything
if you liked her more than him, you should have told her the truth
I would have burnt that bridge.
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Easy..
Just offer twice the amount...
Tell her to not answer the door..
Problem solved and you didn't get yr hands dirty.
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The local guy promised he would keep them and even mentioned that he was going to used them for a local church. Sold. Except I see everything parted the next day on ebay. Hell, he got more than what I sold them for on the cymbals alone.
I remember you telling us this before on the forum. I imagine it must have really disappointed you that the buyer had lied and had intentions to flip the drums, but in all fairness, as soon as you sold the drums to him they're his to do whatever he wants with. It was your decision to sell and you agreed a price. After that you no longer have a say in what happens with the kit. I know it's a pity that he couldn't respect the set as you did, but drums are being both and sold everyday and there is money to be made in it. A Ludwig drum set that left the factory in the mid 60's for instance by now could be scattered all over the world and will continue to change hands again and again.
Kudos on being ethical, but in my book, helping the seller would have been OK in this case. Perhaps mildly questionable if you were able to swoop in—but if you only provided information, you'd be doing the seller a service AND providing karmic revenge to your nemesis.
Al
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I remember you telling us this before on the forum. I imagine it must have really disappointed you that the buyer had lied and had intentions to flip the drums, but in all fairness, as soon as you sold the drums to him they're his to do whatever he wants with. It was your decision to sell and you agreed a price. After that you no longer have a say in what happens with the kit. I know it's a pity that he couldn't respect the set as you did, but drums are being both and sold everyday and there is money to be made in it. A Ludwig drum set that left the factory in the mid 60's for instance by now could be scattered all over the world and will continue to change hands again and again.
Verminator dealt with all of that way quicker with the simple phrase, "Anyway, back to the story." I thought, anyway...
Mitch
A mans word ought to be enough. A lie is a liars word. I sold a set once I regretted immediately. They were for sale within a week with a fabricated lie of a story and my pictures stolen to help conduct the sale. sometimes karma needs a push.
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