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Vintage Rogers USA ‘script’ era drum kit – early 1970s, the Fullerton CA years.

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and posting from the UK. I have a beautiful Rogers kit to sell (in the UK), and would really appreciate some advice on its worth please. Before anyone asks, I would love to keep it myself, but it's just too big and heavy for me at 5ft nothing to carry around!

I have done lots of research on the kit, and hope I have described it accurately. There is a photo of it when brand new in its original colour included below.

This is a beautiful looking and sounding kit, although well played by its original owner since the 70s. It was obtained new through a dealer in London at that time. The drums (apart from snare and the second floor tom) are wooden with reinforcing rings and a grey speckle interior finish. The kit comprises:

24 x 14“ bass drum, serial number 003877. There is a Swiv-O-Matic fixing for and mounting post for the small tom, also one for the original (included) angled cymbal arm. A spare bass drum mounting for the tom holder is included, not sure if it’s working or not.

13 x 9” small tom, serial number 31795

Two 16 x 16” floor toms, both with internal dampers. One with grey speckle interior finish and serial number 30020. Second (added later to kit) with plain wooden finish inside, no reinforcing rings and no serial number. Could be an XP-8 model.

14 x 5” COB Rogers Dyna-Sonic ‘CUSTOM BUILT’ snare drum with internal damper, badge with serial number 47536

Virtually new Remo Ambassador Fiberskyn batter heads to toms and snare

Virtually new Evans EQ3 Level 360 resonant head to bass drum, with small porthole

The original Rogers bass drum resonant head with porthole is included with the kit.

Chrome work overall is in great condition, a slight bit of wear but no pitting. The kit has been played consistently since new, and always kept indoors in hard cases (included)

Here are the BUTS:

The kit has been re-wrapped (a great job though) in plain red from its original gold sparkle (we think) finish

One of the floor toms is an extra to the original kit (although still a Rogers). Its interior finish is plain wood, it has no reinforcing rings (could it be an XP-8?) and it has no serial number label inside.

Both floor toms have Yamaha legs and fittings, unfortunately not matching the original fixing holes in the drums, which have been filled but covered on the outside by the red wrap.

The bass drum has non-original legs, again not matching the original fixing holes, which have been filled but covered on the outside by the red wrap.

The snare drum is missing the bar for the original snare wire lifting system; the brackets are there, but the snare wires are stretched over the resonant head in the standard way.

The Swiv-O-Matic fixing for the small tom SEEMS to work ok in that the tightening handles turn perfectly well down the threads, but both at the bass drum end of the tom mount and the small tom end where the hex rod goes into the drum, it does not appear to be gripping. The rod at the bass drum end is held to a specific height with a jubilee clip, and the small tom is just a bit loose. I think the swivel fittings have lost their grip somehow. A spare bass drum mounting for the tom holder is included, not sure if it’s working properly or not.

Phew - hope that's not TOO detailed a description! Can anyone help please? It's my first experience of a Rogers kit. :-)

Posted on 6 years ago
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>The snare drum is missing the bar for the original snare wire lifting system; the brackets are there, but the snare wires are stretched over the resonant head in the standard way.

Easily sourced new in the US for about $59 bucks US these days at a company called Bigbang distribution.

http://shop.bigbangdist.com/c/brands-n-z_rogers-drums

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Welcome to the forum.

You have what we commonly refer to as a "player's" set in terms of condition. It has been modified quite a bit. It appears to have been a Roy Burns 'Starlighter' setup and probably was originally finished in pink champagne sparkle pearl. See attached catalog page from the 67-68 catalog. Using the link on the top of this web page for the Vintage Drum Guide, you can find a catalog page for the set from the era the 4-piece set was made, which appears to be from the early 70's.

It's obviously still quite useful, and a couple of machined collets to replace the cast ones that are not binding the swivomatic mounts should fix that problem.

I'm not qualified to estimate its value in the UK, but it might draw something in the range of $500 to $700 in the US, depending on how interested someone might be in the large 14x24 bass drum that is fairly rate and the overall one up/two down configuration.

Good luck with the sale!

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Hello KarenB...and Welcome to the forum!

Members pgm554 and Dan Boucher are correct in their assessment of your kit. The wrap does look nice and shiny, but it's still a re-wrap. The non-original bass drum legs also hurt the value. Also, since you are in the UK, finding the machined collet noses and getting the snare rail could be expensive. While you can get away with offering the snare drum as is, obtaining the machined collet noses should be job #1. As an option, you could always point this out to any prospective buyers and let them have the fun of tracking down those parts! Still, in the end, it's a fine players kit and any owner should be happy with them. Oh, and as mentioned, the 24" bass drum is a bit more rare! Good luck!

-Mark

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Many thanks to pgm554, Dan Boucher and idrum4fun for the welcome and the useful tips and rough values for the kit! Lovely to talk to you all.

I need to ask you now about the machined collet noses please; there's quite a bit about them coming up when I Google, but I take it they are not original Rogers parts if they are not cast? As the existing ones seem to travel well down the threaded rod, I'm assuming the thread inside the collets (surely there must be one?) is still good, and don't quite understand why they would not operate the claws (again ?, as I don't have one in front of me atm) to grip the hex rod at the bottom of the fitting. Is this a common problem?

Once again any info on this would be very gratefully received; I attach a photo of the offending fixing below, although I think the problem must be internal.

I'm pleased to report that I find I can actually obtain the snare drum bar here in the UK :-)

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Posted on 6 years ago
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Hi KarenB!

You've supplied an excellent picture as to why the collet nose does not clamp down properly around the collet...it's because the cast collet nose has cracked all around the top, so that it is impossible to depress the six collet fingers and allow a firm grip around the hex shaft.

Believe me, no one would really want to obtain the Fullerton-era cast nose, when you can get machined noses, either original or aftermarket. The cast nose was simply a cost savings piece. They worked fine, as long as they were not over-tightened. The picture you provided is proof of overtightening! Track down machined collet noses for the tom and leg mounts and you're good to go!

This link will give more information about Rogers machined vs cast mounts... http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/rogers_swivo_parts.html

-Mark

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Wow, thank you so much for the explanation Mark! Really appreciate you responding so quickly and I will look more closely at the photo and check out the link. Now I understand a bit more about how it all works! :-) :-)

Posted on 6 years ago
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Mark nailed it KarenB and the prescription is just right to make that tom mounting unit healthy again!

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Thanks Dan; my only query now is that will any Rogers machined collet nose I find advertised be a true fit, or do I have to worry about the exact year of manufacture of the kit? A lot of them mention the late 1960s, whereas this is a 1970s model.

Cheers, Karen :-)

Posted on 6 years ago
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Any machined collet nose will work. Actual Rogers brand have PAT PEND stamped on them. Aftermarket machined collets do not have the stamping, but work just the same.

Nice set you are working on. Keep up the pictures and questions.

Posted on 6 years ago
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