Mid 1968 is when they came out with the new logo like you have, so technically it could be a 60's stand. Why the nitpicking though?....no one will be able to tell the difference while you're playing......unless you let them hover and stare up close at your stands while you're playing! LOL!

Isn't that a slingerland tilter?

Good eyes Lucky.....It's either a Slingerland or Camco tilter...they were very similar.

In addition to the logo style I believe there is also another way to determine the "vintage" of the flat base stand.

On the early stands, 1960 - 1963 (?) the top rod was held in position by an "L" shaped piece (pictures 1&2). The rod passed through a hole in one side of the "L" and the other side of the "L" had a threaded hole with a wing bolt. Tightening the wing bolt against the top edge of the middle rod torques the "L" piece thereby jamming the top rod so it could not slide down.

On the later stands (after 1963) the top rod was hold in position directly with a wing bolt through a collar on the middle rod (pictures 3&4). I know its hard to see in these pictures. Am I making any sense here?

The stands that came with my 1963 Hollywood have the "L clamp", the later ones I see on ebay have the collar and direct wing bolt.

Anyone agree or disagree? Comments?

Yes, I think I understand (and agree) with what you are saying.

There were also some differences in the tripods, too.

Hi, again. I have a cymbal stand exactly like the one Oli pictured in the OP. It has had it's original Ludwig tilter replaced with the Slingerland tilter. I have seen several examples of this. This is due, in part, to the fact that the original Ludwig tilters came loose and fell off or tended to rattle. The Slingerland could "retrofit" the Ludwig stand due to it's wing-bolt attachment style. They actually work very well, but you have to watch the angle of those large wings because the underside of some cymbals can rock enough to make contact with them...thus gouging the softer brass of the cymbal.

As far as the wide wingnuts on the sections of some stands... I have seen Ludwig drums and cymbal stands with them -usually circa early 70's.

GG,

I think my 2 1400 stands exhibit what you are talking about. One I bought in 1964-65, ( L bracket) the other in 1966-67.

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Okay, thanks all for the replies and my new found knowledge on this issue. Burger Kin

You can pull the wing off the Slingy tilter and replace it with a shorty tension rod. They are about an inch long or so.