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Hallo Jürgen, Willkommen! (you're not alone here ;)),

This site will help you with translations (often, but not always :D) here:

http://dict.leo.org/

Congratulations for the nice (really nice) find! Although that finish was also used by STAR (as I stated in another thread here) this is NOT a STAR drumset. The double tom holder definitely never was used at STAR.

If you need any help in restauration (or spare parts) for your new cool set, here you'll find the best advice. These crazy guys are just eager to help you with any question you might have :rolleyes:.

Ralf

NB: nice idea to use folded floor tom legs as bass drum spurs!

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 14 years ago
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Gorgeous drums! You may, in some distant, far away day, find a 14x14 floor tom in that wrap, yet don't hold your breath! It is one of the best wraps ever. On the better side, any white or silver 14 floor tom, hidden in the back, could still make the right sounds. Man, those are some nice looking tubbies!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ralf

Although that finish was also used by STAR (as I stated in another thread here) this is NOT a STAR drumset. The double tom holder definitely never was used at STAR. NB: nice idea to use folded floor tom legs as bass drum spurs!

Hallo Ralf!

Danke sehr!

Yes, I know that the Tom holder is not original - it´s a Pearl holder set that must have been mounted probably by the one who threw it away. Before there was a Fre-O-Matic system (so I guess), now the BassDrum has three holes :-(

Everything else lets me conclude logically that this must be a Star set.

The more so as I also found two ImperialStar Cymbal stands in the container and a snare stand that looks similar to the one in the brochure that´s link is posted in another thread .

The idea of taking the floor tom legs was just an emergency solution, ´cause I didn´t find any spurs in the container last year! But it worked perfectly - the BassDrum didn´t move one millimeter away!

Many thanks to all others for the many nice replies!Cool1

I keep on posting pics as soon as possible! (BassDrum is almost finished, too!)Jump For Joy

Regards Jürgen

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Posted on 14 years ago
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After a quick glance, the lugs and T-rods are Star. As well as the chrome hoops. Very nice.

Now, for the snare, it will be a little work to undertake. Please post some pix, I rather specialize in bringing those to life. What kind of shells do you have here? Are they the real thin ones, or the heavier, 6 ply toms and 9 ply bass? The snare, I need to see the strainer and butt in order to get you going in the right direction on them. The snare, if it is a 68 or later will have a 6 ply shell as well. If these are before 67, the shells are 3 ply and will be very resonant.

Man, those are nice......

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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From jonnistix

What kind of shells do you have here? Are they the real thin ones, or the heavier, 6 ply toms and 9 ply bass? The snare, I need to see the strainer and butt in order to get you going in the right direction on them. The snare, if it is a 68 or later will have a 6 ply shell as well.

Hello jonnistix,

Thanks for your encouragement!Cool1

My set has the heavier shells, so I think it was made in the early seventies.

The snare has a steel shell, below you can have a look at my problem (sorry for the poor quality, took these with my mobile phone in a hurry!).

Also another proof of the fact that it is a Star kit.

Now to the mechanism of the snare:

On one side it´s not a big problem to get it fixed, the carriage just ran out of its guideway.

The bigger problem will be to fix the tensioning device, because the pan head screw is totally out of shape and the hollow bolt also.

I think I´d have to heat it up carefully to get this unit in straight way again without breaking it.

Replacing the handgear and the fixing pin(s?) of the mechanism also will be no big deal, I think. I´ll just have to drill out the rest of the broken handgear and repair the screw thread.

If you have any advice I´ll be grateful for that!

Regards Jürgen

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Hi Jürgen,

is this snare drum shell a really very heavy one (my guess!)? If yes: then it's from the famous family of 'KingBeat' snare drums ...Cool1

Are the tom shells heavy and thick and lacquered inside with reinforcement rings? Let's have a pic of inside, please (the pic quality is sufficient), to clarify!

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 14 years ago
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No re-rings on this kit, or at least it should not have them. If it has rings, and is not a 3 ply kit, it would be a rare 5 ply set of shells. I have the only known 5 ply snare in existenceLoLoLoLo in my stand right now. As you look inside, if they are grey or tan, there should not be any ring at the edges. These are certainly 67-73/4 build as we have cut the timeline of 6-9 ply to come into play around mid-67 until the close of the Star name in 74.

Again, if they are thick shells with re-rings, you will have very clear ly a 5 ply set of shells. I just finished restoring and modernizing a 5 ply snare. The reason for modernization is because nothning but the hoops came with it, and the wrap was shot, as well as one I never would be able to match.

So, if these are 5 ply/rings, be good to tham, they sound great! IMO, one of the better sounding.

Back to the strainer, if you take it completely apart, be very careful to note the position of all the parts as it is a bear to tear down and get them back in the right position.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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From jonnistix

As you look inside, if they are grey or tan, there should not be any ring at the edges. These are certainly 67-73/4 build as we have cut the timeline of 6-9 ply to come into play around mid-67 until the close of the Star name in 74.

Hello!

Yes, you are right, the shells are painted grey inside with no re-rings at the edges. And as far as I could see they´re 6-ply.

So the kit is definitely to date in these 6 years lasting final era of Star you wrote above. (But I´ll be good to them anyway ;-) )

And once again many thanks for your advice regarding the strainer!

I will be proceeding as I always did when I restaurated my several Japanese Motorbikes of the 60´s and 70´s era - take a picture of every step of disassembling and re-assemble it in reverse mode.

Sorry, no pics this time, I will post some as soon as possible!

Regards Jürgen

Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny! FZ
Posted on 14 years ago
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Now, at last, it´s almost done...

Just need some rubber parts for the snare stand and the floor tom legs.

The shells are ready to use!

As you can see below, I had a Sonor strainer lying ´round - this will do it until the original is repaired. Don´t panic - no additional holes were necessary in the shell, it luckily fitted to the existing holes!

Spent the last three nights in the garage repairing and polishing, couldn´t test the snare yet ´cause I want to stay in this place for the next decades;)

(it´s 4.45 am here)

Ralf might be right with his assumption regarding the snare - its shell is really heavy. Looking forward to the first test!

So hope you enjoy the pics, in a few days I´ll take more in the daylight!

Regards Jürgen

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Hello Jurgen, and welcome.

There is a bit of info on your drums in an old catalog here:

http://www.drumarchive.com/Star/

According to the catalog, it looks like the floor tom was only available as a 16".

Scott

Posted on 14 years ago
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